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To not be ok with race-based segregation?

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jbeble · 14/12/2023 09:00

In Boston USA, the Mayor holds parties for 'elected of colour' only. It's been a long road for racism, segregation, discrimination of minorities to be recognised and punished as the crimes that they are. What are we trying to achieve here?

AIBU to think that democratically elected representatives of the people should know better than to promote and/or support segregation?

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Dweetfidilove · 14/12/2023 15:15

jbeble · 14/12/2023 09:17

But all these are private and initiated by private individuals!
We're talking about elected representatives, it's different.
When they attend an event because of their position (or indeed in an official capacity which is not the case here I think) surely they should not promote division.

You know what would be useful?

Ending structural racism so we no longer need parties announcing that we have arrived. This would also save the token minorities who break through from the humiliating display of ‘look how inclusive we are’…

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 15:15

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 14:24

I just moved to the Surrey/London borders from central London. It’s been…interesting. Delighted to learn that there are ladies like you two about.

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We should meet...

oh no wait, that's segregation!

😂😂

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 15:19

I'm
Pretty sure those elected officials do lots of other things for lots of other groups during their working week.

I'm grown up enough to know that the experience those people will talk about are things which won't affect me. Why the hell would I be offended? Or feel left out?

Just because it doesn't impact me doesn't mean I can't see racism is very much alive and kicking still.

But hey, it's good to see such optimism.

Rackajack · 14/12/2023 15:20

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 15:09

I certainly would object to them. As with this event, it is wanting it both ways. Fighting for equality, then when you get it, rejecting it, when it suits.

At least you’re consistent.

Then again, Diane Abbott, spent her political career doing exactly that.

It’s interesting that you bring up one of the very very few prominent Black female politicians to prove your point, as opposed to one of the dozens (possibly hundreds) of white male examples of every conceivable sort of two faced shenanigans. But, I’m sure that’s a coincidence.

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Here's a white example for you. Emily Thornberry, sticking to the subject of race. Even though I know you're desperate to prove I'm a racist. The irony is, we shouldn't even be having this particular debate about it. The situation has been created by the mayor, of all people. I take my inspiration from Morgan Freeman, make of that what you will.

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 15:22

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 15:15

We should meet...

oh no wait, that's segregation!

😂😂

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They are gathering! We must inform the Church! 🤣🤣🤣

Dweetfidilove · 14/12/2023 15:23

Autumnalday · 14/12/2023 10:49

@savoycabbage When I had my baby I went to a playgroup that was for black and mixed race babies run by Surestart

So Asians and mixed race Asians weren't allowed to join? Only black and mixed white/black women and babies were allowed to join? Mothers can relate to other mothers' pregnancy and birthing experiences, especially if they all gave birth in the same country. It doesn't matter what your race is.

🫣😥🫢🤭😂😂😂😂😂

I have no words 😶.

Rackajack · 14/12/2023 15:23

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 15:19

I'm
Pretty sure those elected officials do lots of other things for lots of other groups during their working week.

I'm grown up enough to know that the experience those people will talk about are things which won't affect me. Why the hell would I be offended? Or feel left out?

Just because it doesn't impact me doesn't mean I can't see racism is very much alive and kicking still.

But hey, it's good to see such optimism.

So I guess that apply the other way round then. Not a chance!
As I said before, this situation has been made by an important official. What she has done is Stoke the fire rather than look to bring cohesion. Nice slow round of applause for a shit for brains move.

Vuurhoutjies · 14/12/2023 15:24

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 15:15

We should meet...

oh no wait, that's segregation!

😂😂

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I'm white so it's not? 😂

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 15:25

Rackajack · 14/12/2023 15:20

Here's a white example for you. Emily Thornberry, sticking to the subject of race. Even though I know you're desperate to prove I'm a racist. The irony is, we shouldn't even be having this particular debate about it. The situation has been created by the mayor, of all people. I take my inspiration from Morgan Freeman, make of that what you will.

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I didn’t ask for a white example. You gave the example you wanted to and that was a Black woman.

And I don’t need to prove anything. You’re quite clearly racist, you don’t need anyone’s help demonstrating that.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 15:31

As I said before, this situation has been made by an important official. What she has done is Stoke the fire rather than look to bring cohesion.

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Now I've no idea what else this official does to break down racial barriers.

But as a white person who will never have to experience racism I don't see this as "stoking a fire ". I choose to see this as giving people space to talk about a common experience.

If you see it as anything more sinister then I think that's quite racist, yes.

As for saying you agree with Morgan Freeman is that the new "I'm not racist coz I've got a black mate"?

Autumnalday · 14/12/2023 15:38

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 10:56

Again, Black women in the U.K. are four times more likely to die while pregnant or just after childbirth than white women. This is not a ‘shared experience’ and, yes, race clearly does matter. There has been a huge amount of work and campaigning around the treatment and outcomes of ethnic minority women during maternity and we are STILL dying.

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But it's a play group and not a pregnancy support or birth trauma support group. Play groups and breast feeding groups shouldn't only accept one race. It's basically a group just for black women and then the regular group has all the other races including white and different Asian ethnicities.

Certain ethnicities are more likely to develop certain illnesses so those women are offered additional antenatal screenings. Also, Asian women (not sure which Asian ethnicities) are two times more likely to die in childbirth. I am East Asian.

Neitheronethingnortheother · 14/12/2023 15:43

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 14/12/2023 15:31

As I said before, this situation has been made by an important official. What she has done is Stoke the fire rather than look to bring cohesion.

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Now I've no idea what else this official does to break down racial barriers.

But as a white person who will never have to experience racism I don't see this as "stoking a fire ". I choose to see this as giving people space to talk about a common experience.

If you see it as anything more sinister then I think that's quite racist, yes.

As for saying you agree with Morgan Freeman is that the new "I'm not racist coz I've got a black mate"?

As for saying you agree with Morgan Freeman is that the new "I'm not racist coz I've got a black mate"?

I think that's "I'm so racist I can't even claim I have a black friend so I'm having to resort to taking inspiration from a black actor instead"🙄

Rackajack · 14/12/2023 15:45

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Rackajack · 14/12/2023 15:47

Neitheronethingnortheother · 14/12/2023 15:43

As for saying you agree with Morgan Freeman is that the new "I'm not racist coz I've got a black mate"?

I think that's "I'm so racist I can't even claim I have a black friend so I'm having to resort to taking inspiration from a black actor instead"🙄

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In attempting to stereotype me, you've ended up stereotyping yourself. You clearly don't know what Freeman represents and you've embarrassed yourself. I wouldn't expect you to. His wise words are lost on divisive folk.

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 15:52

I don't think it's okay.

Would it be okay to have a whites only meeting? No it wouldn't.

Why are they allowed to have a black people only meeting?

Neitheronethingnortheother · 14/12/2023 15:52

Rackajack · 14/12/2023 15:47

In attempting to stereotype me, you've ended up stereotyping yourself. You clearly don't know what Freeman represents and you've embarrassed yourself. I wouldn't expect you to. His wise words are lost on divisive folk.

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I'm not feeling particularly embarrassed thanks

LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 15:55

Autumnalday · 14/12/2023 15:38

But it's a play group and not a pregnancy support or birth trauma support group. Play groups and breast feeding groups shouldn't only accept one race. It's basically a group just for black women and then the regular group has all the other races including white and different Asian ethnicities.

Certain ethnicities are more likely to develop certain illnesses so those women are offered additional antenatal screenings. Also, Asian women (not sure which Asian ethnicities) are two times more likely to die in childbirth. I am East Asian.

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This has already been discussed on the thread. Multiple links to research have been provided. I’m not doing it again, so RTFT.

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 15:56

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 15:52

I don't think it's okay.

Would it be okay to have a whites only meeting? No it wouldn't.

Why are they allowed to have a black people only meeting?

It's very sad you think this way, particularly given what you claim you've suffered in Ireland. I remember you from the Irish little gymnast thread where we were told she was 'overlooked'.

How do you reduce this to a black people only meeting? Do better honestly, do better!

MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 15:57

Careful @Mooshamoo, the mob with torches and pitchforks will be along shortly to inform you that you're a racist for saying that it wouldn't be ok for white people to have an exclusive group, regardless of your intentions.

Edit: I see I am too late.

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 15:57

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LusaBatoosa · 14/12/2023 15:58

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 15:52

I don't think it's okay.

Would it be okay to have a whites only meeting? No it wouldn't.

Why are they allowed to have a black people only meeting?

Not once on over 250 comments has this been asked or addressed. I salute you.

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 15:59

MooseBreath · 14/12/2023 15:57

Careful @Mooshamoo, the mob with torches and pitchforks will be along shortly to inform you that you're a racist for saying that it wouldn't be ok for white people to have an exclusive group, regardless of your intentions.

Edit: I see I am too late.

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Did you know you can instead of using such inflammatory language make your point and move on?

Mooshamoo · 14/12/2023 16:01

@Myfabby he said the meeting is for "people of colour" only. So he is technically discriminating by race, he is choosing the people that can attend , by their race.

The question is : should black people be allowed to do this as we all know they have suffered in the past.

Or should no one be allowed to discriminate by race

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jbeble · 14/12/2023 16:03

Myfabby · 14/12/2023 15:56

It's very sad you think this way, particularly given what you claim you've suffered in Ireland. I remember you from the Irish little gymnast thread where we were told she was 'overlooked'.

How do you reduce this to a black people only meeting? Do better honestly, do better!

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Ah! That little girl wasn't overlooked, nope. That, and the sort of shit myfabby has referred to is what we need to stamp out, every f time, until it's gone.
Pampered policy makers on a public-funded racist jolly isn't a cause.

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Oliotya · 14/12/2023 16:05

They really do walk among us.
Imagine pretending that you think the solution to inequality is to take more from marginalized people.
Some white people are really scared of not being special any more. Terrifying.