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Jo Cox women in leadership should just change its name

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CosmicCanary Mon 04-Jun-18 07:59:40

To, Jo Cox anyone who decides they are a women in leadership.

Apparently their tag line is

The Jo Cox Women in Leadership Programme is a training programme for passionate and experienced women members who are ready to lead in the Labour Party.

The Labour party hate women. They dont want them in leadership roles. They dont value womens opinions and voices.

After 22 years as a labour party member I have cancelled my membership.

Kyanite Mon 04-Jun-18 08:28:27

They weren't the only one who graduated...but yeah.

twitter.com/LabourWomensNet

Kyanite Mon 04-Jun-18 08:37:23

I keep hoping that Jess Phillips will say something but there's not a peep. She can't be in favour of it or we would know about it.

CosmicCanary Mon 04-Jun-18 08:39:55

I know many other women graduated but the fact that 1 women missed out on a place in favour of a man saddens and disgusts me.

Popchyk Mon 04-Jun-18 09:41:20

Seems like there are 60 people there.

And 2 of them are men who identify as women.

So that is 3.3% of the spaces already given over to men who identify as women. And given how regularly we are told that it is a tiny percentage of society, they seem to be much over-represented. Sheer talent must account for it, I suppose.

My advice to the Women in Leadership programme? Do not allow other people to dictate your own agenda.

ChickenMe Mon 04-Jun-18 10:25:22

The Twitter comments on the Sophie one are mostly WTF.
How has this happened?

Popchyk Mon 04-Jun-18 10:30:56

Sophie Cook teaches 'leadership masterclass' courses.

And yet was given a place on a course about how to learn leadership skills.

Melamin Mon 04-Jun-18 11:12:36

confused
What is the course actually for?

Tanith Mon 04-Jun-18 11:13:16

That should be the basis of any complaint: that, in their haste to be seen as liberal (small L smile), they wasted a place on someone who didn’t need it.

SpareRibFem Mon 04-Jun-18 11:19:35

The comments underneath on twitter though...

But I bet the woke corbynites don't go after the many men commenting wtf

trumptrump Mon 04-Jun-18 11:24:45

Wow! Twitter is not happy about this..

Also, the few posts supporting Sophie have no upvotes...

I think the public have peak transed!

Melamin Mon 04-Jun-18 11:28:13

Maybe the tras that usually pile on are too busy hassling mumsnet?

OlennasWimple Mon 04-Jun-18 11:38:06

Those comments.... Waiting for the Twitter ban hammer to be wielded against all those men who have said far, far worse than anything I've ever read on MN

ChickenMe Mon 04-Jun-18 11:50:40

Yes I thought that-some of the comments from men are far more controversial than things women have been banned for

ChickenMe Mon 04-Jun-18 12:12:12

If I was on twitter I would be @ ing them and saying come on ban these men like you did the women?!

TerfsUp Mon 04-Jun-18 12:18:10

Another nail in the Labour Party's political coffin.

trumptrump Mon 04-Jun-18 12:33:00

Honestly, reading the comments, I almost feel sorry for Labour. This will haunt them for years to come. At the same time, it is exactly what they deserve.

The Tories must be finding this hilarious.

R0wantrees Mon 04-Jun-18 12:35:22

Sophie Cook teaches 'leadership masterclass' courses.

There seem to be a number of trans women involved in providing training and consultancy services featuring in recent discussions:

cf threads:
"Karen Adell Scot, a local transgender advocate, even offered to train Naomi's House employees" (homeless shelter for women)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3266198-No-True-Transwoman-transadvocates-question-whether-TW-is-genuine-after-said-TW-sexually-harasses-women-in-homeless-shelter

Tara Hewitt 'Trans People and cancer session' for HCPs
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD3RfsVu73Q
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257491-Strong-words-from-feminists-unhappy-with-trans-exclusionary-ideology

Delia Johnson: Sport and Police
metro.co.uk/2015/10/21/transgender-woman-on-her-desperate-struggle-with-her-new-identity-and-how-she-was-accepted-by-the-fa-but-not-her-daughter-5376352/?ito=cbshare
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3266050-ManFriday-article-in-the-Daily-Mail?pg=2

2rebecca Mon 04-Jun-18 12:45:13

There are so few things like this that are women only that transwomen taking women's places is bound to seem unfair and make people angry.
If labour want more transexuals in politics then they should have a special programme for them, or have a general training for leadership programme open to anyone.
Transmen don't generally go after men only stuff (and there are still plenty of male only or male dominated groups).
In my life there is hardly anything I do that is woman only, most of my activities are mixed sex.
It would be easy for transwomen to participate in life as a woman without pushing in to the few women only spaces.
As a tactic this is just pissing people off and is making people more anti-trans as they are seen as being anti-woman and trying to replace us.

TerfsUp Mon 04-Jun-18 12:46:10

There seem to be a number of trans women involved in providing training and consultancy services featuring in recent discussions:

Just goes to show that when you transition you don't stop mansplaining.

TerfsUp Mon 04-Jun-18 12:47:04

As a tactic this is just pissing people off and is making people more anti-trans as they are seen as being anti-woman and trying to replace us.

And that is a very good thing. They should do this more often.

Sarahconnor1 Mon 04-Jun-18 12:49:11

Just goes to show that when you transition you don't stop mansplaining

grin

Wakame Mon 04-Jun-18 12:49:59

It doesn't stop there - I have heard that "We Need To Talk UK" keep platforming a self-described cross-dressing man to discuss the impact on women of the Gender Recognition Act.

OrchidInTheSun Mon 04-Jun-18 12:55:59

Don't forget Anna Lee was on the first programme and I fully expect Madigan to be on the next one.

Twitter comments are hilarious though.

fmsfms Mon 04-Jun-18 12:57:17

"I keep hoping that Jess Phillips will say something but there's not a peep. She can't be in favour of it or we would know about it."

To best of my knowledge Phillips seems to be trying to maintain a foot in each camp.

As someone that previously worked in domestic violence setups she understands the need for womens spaces, I suspect she doesn't want to lose her intersectional feminist credentials by challenging trans women rights

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