Jo Cox women in leadership should just change its name

[CosmicCanary]

To, Jo Cox anyone who decides they are a women in leadership.

Apparently their tag line is

The Jo Cox Women in Leadership Programme is a training programme for passionate and experienced women members who are ready to lead in the Labour Party.

The Labour party hate women. They dont want them in leadership roles. They dont value womens opinions and voices.

After 22 years as a labour party member I have cancelled my membership.

[Picassospaintbrush]

Wakame, are you being sarky there?

You are naughty.

[noeffingidea]

boatyardblues try #labourlosingwomen

[FormerlyPickingOakum]

There's a decent income to be made in "training course" provision, particularly around equalities.

It's a way of covering your back as an employer. You can then say "all our staff have had training in (this case) issues surrounding transgenderism" and that ticks off your adherence to equalities legislation and policy.

Ergo, if anyone complains, it passes the buck from employer to employee.

The problem is getting the people to deliver the training. So if you set yourself up as a trainer in this area, you ca get a lot of work. There's no real screening of your qualifications.

[Sarahconnor1]

boatyardblues also try

mobile.twitter.com/LabourWomensNet/status/1003204681202626560

[R0wantrees]

Maybe the tras that usually pile on are too busy hassling mumsnet?

There's a significant event happening today in London:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3268237-Westminster-Social-Policy-forum-today-Next-steps-for-transgender-Equality-WSPFEvents

Worth following #WSPFEvents on Twitter

[R0wantrees]

FormerlyPickingOakum

I was particularly interested in the training/consultancy offered in two of the examples that I gave. My own experience includes having worked in services for people who were homeless and also being involved with cancer services/charities as a patient.

[boatyardblues]

Thanks Effing.

[nauticant]

At least the link by Sarahconnor1 has cheered me up (repeated below):

//twitter.com/LabourWomensNet/status/1003204681202626560

[Sarahconnor1]

nauticant

It's revealing isn't it. When you translate this into the real world and get away from pissing bathrooms it starts to open eyes.

[R0wantrees]

It's revealing isn't it. When you translate this into the real world and get away from pissing bathrooms it starts to open eyes

cf comments under recent newspaper articles online:
The Times
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-activist-bullies-stop-donations-for-schoolchildren-cgj29rcdl

Daily Mail
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5798945/Trans-women-convicted-men-attack-vulnerable-inmates.html

Guardian
www.theguardian.com/education/2018/may/15/transgender-row-teachers-afraid-challenge-breast-binding

[nauticant]

Every time I see the response of your average person to what trans ideology means in practice I feel optimistic.

The bathroom debate is a complete dead end* and everyone on the gender critical side should avoid raising it whenever possible.

• susceptible to "but it's been happening for years with no problem!" and "but bathrooms can be modified to solve this!" responses

[CaitlynsCat]

There aren't many comments under Ms. Jelly'N'Dildos '99, for some reason.

[Sarahconnor1]

R0wantrees

I haven't read the guardian for a while now so those comments were interesting, has there been some movement of opinion with the readership or was that less heavily moderated than usual.

[R0wantrees]

Sarahconnor1

It's interesting.. I don't know but there weren't many comments complaining about heavy moderation (which is often the case). Perhaps its the focus of the article being about education and the best way to support childen?
I thought that both the article and comments showed balance.

[OvaHere]

The Jo Cox and AWS situation makes me so angry and disappointed.

Women have barely been allowed 100 years of political voice and influence compared to the millennia had by men, even less in some countries and still none at all in some parts of the world.

Yet here we are are in 2018 and males have found a way to muscle back in to the spaces and platforms we have fought for and carved out as our own.

[R0wantrees]

With regards affirmative action for those people born male who identify as women/girls, there is an article in today's Daily Mail:

'Anti-HPV jab will be given to teenage boys... but only if they identify as girls so that 'they fit in with their peers'

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-5799375/Anti-HPV-jab-given-teenage-boys-identify-girls.html

This raises the issue that boys who do not identify as girls continue to be ineligible for the vaccination. There have been calls for some time to allow the vaccine for boys as well as girls.
(extract)
"New official advice makes clear that transgender girls – that is, those born male – will be offered the Gardasil jab so they fit in with ‘their peers’.

However, boys will continue to be denied the vaccine, which protects against the human papillomavirus (HPV), which causes cervical cancer among other forms of the disease."

(continues)
"The virus is spread by sex, intimate contact and kissing. Yet HPV kills some 650 men a year, mainly due to oral cancers.

While cervical cancer deaths are slowly declining, the number of HPV-related cancers in men is rising fast.

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation has argued inoculating boys would not be cost-effective, as most would be protected anyway as a by-product of female vaccination."

[Melamin]

They should vaccinate boys as well

[noeffingidea]

Boys should be offered the vaccination to protect the gay/bisexual male population. It's really outrageous that this group is being ignored.

[R0wantrees]

I wonder if this is being lobbied for by LGBT+ groups... Stonewall etc? I would have thought this health issue would be a more pressing concern than affirmation.

[noeffingidea]

Agree with you, Rowan . To argue that 'most boys' will be protected by girls being vaccinated is just downright homophobic, not to mention ignoring reality.

[R0wantrees]

Reference to an ongoing campaign at the end of the Mail article:
(concludes)
"The Mail on Sunday has been campaigning to end the vaccine apartheid.

Last week, we revealed how the Throat Cancer Foundation has launched legal action against Jeremy Hunt to force the Health Secretary to end the policy of giving jabs to girls only.

Public Health England declined to explain why it was extending the jab to boys who identified as girls, but not to others"

LGBT+ groups could add weight to the campaign (perhaps they already are? I've no idea.)

[OutsideContextProblem]

No vaccination is completely without risks though. To expose 100% of boys to that risk when (say) only 10% of them will benefit from its protection is a difficult call, and it is something the NHS needs to bear in mind (it also raises the question of cost effectiveness). However the understanding of the risks of common head and neck cancers caused by HPV (as opposed to the incredibly rare penile and anal cancers) has moved on which means that the risk of female to male transmission from unvaccinated women (due to age, nationality or whatever) is a more relevant factor and the risk benefit calculations are up for grabs again.

There is also a political issue - driven, I suspect, not by homophobia amongst decision makers so much as the fear of a homophobic frenzy amongst tabloid newspapers and a certain type of parent.

[OutsideContextProblem]

I think that if the Daily Mail have decided they’re playing it as “Cost cutting NHS discriminates by refusing to give boys lifesaving cancer jab!” rather than “Government introduces untested compulsory gay sex jab for all children!” then that may be decisive. Sad but true.

[R0wantrees]

I agree, though would think that in itself should be reason not to give a vaccine to those children who are born male and identify as trans girls:
(from DM article)
"New official advice makes clear that transgender girls – that is, those born male – will be offered the Gardasil jab so they fit in with ‘their peers’. "

[OutsideContextProblem]

(By sad, I don’t mean that I’m against a roll out for boys, just that the power of the DM is always depressing).