Sarah Phillimore and Robin Moira White interviewed by Andrew Doyle

I wonder if White and Tatchell realise that they, as people regularly associated with Stonewall, have really fucked up that 'accept trans people who say they are trans' mantra that Stonewall pushed.

Or is this the new mantra? And that White and others were early adopters. They were the front guard setting the scene.

'Only trans people approved by the trans community are trans people'.

That seems more the truth I feel.

Definitely Helle I think they are pissed that the new pretenders are all fucking things up, but because of the say your trans you are shit they now have nowhere to go. And saying oh no but he's not one of us just shows it just a gentleman's club after all and if your face didn't fit you didn't get in.

I think MNetters saw this a long time ago in conversations with MNetter TW such as Debbie Hayton.

That male people who have undergone extensive surgery, some of whom still prefer to name themselves as Transsexual despite the harassment from the TQ+ political lobby not to, would quite like to help women draw a line that includes them, but excludes other male people.

Which still continues to regard female people's needs and spaces, and rights, and voices and inclusion and access needs as something secondary and subordinate to the primary right of male people to make use of them as male people feel necessary. It's a politer kind of sexism, but as Datun has so wisely said before now, it is merely males talking amongst themselves about where exactly to place the boot on women's necks.

I agree nils, I remember the discussions well.

I remember the eventual flounces here when we all just continued to say no, too.

Incidentally,@Spero I Iove your user name. Great mix of initials and appropriate Latin!

I noticed i and others had had some posts deleted so had to go back to the start and read through everything again to see who and which posts got deleted and likely which posts from memory they were likely to be.

It was illuminating.

I'm sorry to see your posts have been deleted Boiledbeetle but they will have been widely read and I'm quite sure everyone who saw them will draw their own conclusions.

I checked other poster's as well, From memory, It was interesting.

I think one of mine was about the age from which some tw claim to have known they wanted to be women and how the recollections can vary. With, admittedly, a bit of drive by misgendering.

Sorry MN.

I wonder what the process can be for deciding who is faking a trans identity and who is misgendering?

Robin suggests the views of Bryson/Graham's wife might hold the key to whether or not B/G's trans status is genuine.

Do other wives/ex wives get to decide re their husbands/ex husbands too? Could Robin's?

It doesn't really matter what age, though. As it is all anti reality and anti science as no one ever changes sex. You may be being deleted for correctly sexing a person; or letting your post stand only if you lie and go along with a person's pretend (falsified).

So, if you don't go along with a fabrication and tell the truth, you get complained about. If you collude in what is an anti reality lie, your lie is allowed to remain. Funny, isn't it? 'Pravda' being an old joke on thought control to peddle in lies.

Just checking in to see if I have got this clear...

There are men that say they are men. And men that say they are women. But some of the men that say they are women say that some of the men that say they are women are not really men that say they are women but actually men that should say they are men.

Yes??

I was looking for the list of nominees for our new Gender Recognition Panel (featuring Layla Moran driving around the country in the Mystery Machine from Scooby Doo wearing the Sorting Hat from Harry Potter) and couldn’t find it.

Surely THAT wasn’t deleted? 🤣

Yes.

I think

Some of mine I have no bloody clue what I said, I'm just having too make my best guess around the surrounding posts contents of what i would say!

And further to my tentative yes! If men can do all that then women who are women can say men who say they women are not women they are men!

Oh, yes. They are parvenu, false pretenders, not genuine pretenders like moi.

This brings the old pretender, and new pretender to the throne to mind. At least those chappies didn't pretend their very organic embodiment had magically been transubstantiated through some mystical alchemy, though.

Sorry I missed a word in my previous response let's try again

And further to my tentative yes! If men can do all that then women who are women can say men who say they ARE women are not women they are men!

I'm reminded of the song "Little does she know" by the Kuurssl Flyers!

Hmm. It still seems to be that men can lift the veil a little and say that other men are not women. Even if claim to be, just like they are doing. Yet, women are deleted for saying the very thing those men are admitting.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZnQQF7ucdM

I hadn't listened to that in years!

Thanks Boiled! I totally mistyped the spelling of Kursaal! Which is strange as I live very close the building they named themselves after!