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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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nauticant · 29/09/2026 10:25

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

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Lougle · 30/09/2026 12:07

I've just been browsing Etsy in search of pin badges. A plethora of GI badges, terf bashing badges, etc , and very few GC badges.

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:07

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StSpiridian · 30/09/2026 12:08

Absolutely this (from Nick wallis)- so clear the hostility to nurses who don't believe in this misogynistic rubbish.

NC the solicitor Jemma Shepherd who is in court repping RCN - she's from AS] has pronouns in her bio doesn't she
PM don't know
NC and if an RCN member gets through to her for legal advice and she's just got in trouble at work for misgendering the first thing she's going to see is the solicitor signalling her support of GI

CriticalCondition · 30/09/2026 12:08

She's going to regret her opening explanation about running the 'business' when selling merch falls squarely within that.

Justabaker · 30/09/2026 12:08

BINGO

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Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:09

All together now..

🎵Tat tat tat tat tat 🎶

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 30/09/2026 12:09

BettyBooper · 30/09/2026 11:59

Beclowning incoming!

Prepare the red nose, big yellow shoes, vintage car horn and flower that squirts water

fanOfBen · 30/09/2026 12:10

(On phone) Sorry power cut here normal service resumes shortly

Appalonia · 30/09/2026 12:10

Inclusive!

Drink!😂

Scout2016 · 30/09/2026 12:10

What other stuff is free I wonder? Vegan nurses? Christian nurses?

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:11

Bargain price of £2.

Retract those claws Naomi!

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:11

Appalonia · 30/09/2026 12:10

Inclusive!

Drink!😂

You must be shit faced by now!

fanOfBen · 30/09/2026 12:11

From TT:

PM Don't know
NC If a member lucky enough to get through gatekeeping and on to legal first thing they'll see is JF and pronouns in email.
PM Don't know the system in Scotland
NC But if member is in trouble eg for misgendering colleague, not going to make her feel comfortable

PM yes, but we have t members for whom opposite would be true. It's still a contested space
NC [to docs] Pages from RCN shop. c 57 pp of RCN merch.
PM Take your word for it.
NC Merch in categories - general nursing/RCN, historical, campaigning material eg fair pay.

NC Things would expect from RCN.
PM Mix of things. Not necessarily campaigning.
NC Not sure greatly matters but for eg - p 1094, campaigning on core TU patch isn't it.
PM Not necessarily all campaigning materials. May be event related.
NC Not a trick q re campaigning,

but these categories, generic tat, historical tat, etc.
PM Don't agree re tat
NC Event related. But outlier is the progress pride branded material. Pride in Nursing. Given away free.
PM Those would be available, think related to event. Available during pride month and worn by

Tallisker · 30/09/2026 12:11

I complained about a horrible comment at work on the in-house chat board, but the investigating officer had pronouns in her email signature. Surprise, surprise, my complaint was not upheld. I just knew it wouldn’t be, because of those pronouns.

CriticalCondition · 30/09/2026 12:13

This is delicious.

ILikeDungs · 30/09/2026 12:13

NC JF displays pronouns on email
PM Don't know
NC If a member lucky enough to get through gatekeeping and on to legal first thing they'll see is JF and pronouns in email.
PM Don't know the system in Scotland

Apparently they might not use email in Scotland, witness not sure

fanOfBen · 30/09/2026 12:14

(my power cut threw me out of the room, of course, sigh)

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:14

CriticalCondition · 30/09/2026 12:13

This is delicious.

PM right now...

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MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2026 12:14

Tallisker · 30/09/2026 12:11

I complained about a horrible comment at work on the in-house chat board, but the investigating officer had pronouns in her email signature. Surprise, surprise, my complaint was not upheld. I just knew it wouldn’t be, because of those pronouns.

It’s the reason why Northumbria Police was told by the High Court not to attend Pride parades.

I think NC should ask the witness about that.

fanOfBen · 30/09/2026 12:15

From TT:

members then. Well, they wear them whenever.
NC PP flag associate with GI
PM It will be associated with GII, yes
NC RCN providing free of charge and cut bargain price in sale now a nice enamel version. RCN providing PP and RCN branded badges. That's taking sides?

PM No. support for members who id in different ways.
NC No merch for muslim, christian, atheist nurses. Would be intl day for atheist belief . Nothing in EDI
PM no
NC no sex realist . Nothing to make Intl W day
PM We have some for the day but not here
NC If someone

made you a badge in suffragette colours and slogan you'd put that in your shop
PM Can't answer that q. Would need to be looked at and considered.
NC If RCN takes neutral position between GC /GII, must be willing to provide those who dissent from GII with a colourful badge

StSpiridian · 30/09/2026 12:15

@fanOfBen Thanks for all your hard work, it takes a lot of concentration to keep copying and pasting. (Hope you are feeling a bit better today by the way..xxx)

ickky · 30/09/2026 12:15

RCN could consult JK Rowling on what is acceptable. 😄

GreenFootstool · 30/09/2026 12:15

Tallisker · 30/09/2026 12:11

I complained about a horrible comment at work on the in-house chat board, but the investigating officer had pronouns in her email signature. Surprise, surprise, my complaint was not upheld. I just knew it wouldn’t be, because of those pronouns.

We have numerous senior leadership with pronouns in Teams names and email addresses as well as signatures. Including the "sex and gender champion".

I raised my concerns about this and the impact on my ability to trust I could go to them for advice or support on sex discrimination or safety issues in the last three annual staff surveys.

Suspect I'm on a list somewhere....

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 30/09/2026 12:15

NC If a member lucky enough to get through gatekeeping and on to legal first thing they'll see is JF and pronouns in email.
PM Don't know the system in Scotland
PM yes, but we have t members for whom opposite would be true. It's still a contested space

Not the correct comparison. If there were no pronouns the situation would be neutral. They are making t feel warm and cost at the expense of GC

ETA GC not GI

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:16

NC If someone made you a badge in suffragette colours and slogan you'd put that in your shop
PM Can't answer that q. Would need to be looked at and considered.

Just admit it wouldn't. I'd respect you more.

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