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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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nauticant · 29/09/2026 10:25

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

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fanOfBen · 30/09/2026 11:57

From TT:

you can't defind
PM Yes
NC Could inc support for furries, paedophiles, baby fetishes etc
PM Not going to comment . People's choices.
NC You are aware that LGBT alone is strongly associated with GII
PM []
NC If someone has GC beliefs you won't hear them using LGBT
PM Yes

[difficult to hear PM answers]
NC Many L and G ppl regard LGBTetc a homophobic expression
PM Am aware
NC Do you understand why regard as homophobic
PM Understand various views but not in depth as to what all ppl think c acronyms.

Scout2016 · 30/09/2026 11:57

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 11:54

This is an uncomfortable line of questioning for PM.

Won't even Kink shame adults pretending to be babies toddlers.
Is Fred's penis photo appearing soon do we think? Put her off her lunch.

If I went round work using acronyms I didn't know what they meant I would be embarrassed. I wouldn't just think "oh well, someone else does know so that's fine."

MyThreeWords · 30/09/2026 11:57

nauticant · 30/09/2026 11:54

I wish that NC had brought eunuchs into the + category.

I think they are more in the minus category.

janeszebra · 30/09/2026 11:58

Are witnesses allowed to 'no comment'?

StSpiridian · 30/09/2026 11:58

Yes it's both wierd and worrying so many professional people (with safeguarding duties often) are supporting LGBTA+++ not caring what they are supporting- inc when it's male paraphilias. Totally lost their way.

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 11:58

StSpiridian · 30/09/2026 11:56

From Nick wallis.
NC so when RCN stands in support of LGBTQIA+ members its a bit worrying standing for a group whose parameters can't define
PM yes
NC and that might be people who are furries, adult babies or paedophiles
PM "that's a judgment I'm not going to comment on in terms of people's choices"

NC and that might be people who are furries, adult babies or paedophiles

PM "that's a judgment I'm not going to comment on in terms of people's choices"

I'm currently judging her!!

ickky · 30/09/2026 11:58

Oh dear

janeszebra · 30/09/2026 11:58

Selective amnesia incoming

Scout2016 · 30/09/2026 11:59

Memory failure alert!

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 11:59

.

Proud Pride GIF by Fox Fisher
WearyAuldWumman · 30/09/2026 11:59

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 10:48

Once for Scotland sounds like some sort of death notification process that saves multiple phone calls and lots of copies of the death certificate.

DH done

Well, if it's as efficient as the actual "Tell us Once" scheme here...

Put it this way - when I used it, they got the address wrong. They put down the wrong door number.

BettyBooper · 30/09/2026 11:59

Beclowning incoming!

CriticalCondition · 30/09/2026 11:59

Paedophiles was a 'choice' in the list she said she wasn't going to judge. 😨

MyAmpleSheep · 30/09/2026 12:00

MyThreeWords · 30/09/2026 11:57

I think they are more in the minus category.

You win the Internet today.

ApexDragonfly · 30/09/2026 12:00

This is a lot of fence sitting. When NC tries to get her to decide which side of the fence she and the RCN actually has decided to fall on, she claims to not understand the definition of a fence, or sitting, and is then unsure of the construction of the fence.

I am finding this painful to watch.

fanOfBen · 30/09/2026 12:01

From TT:

NC L and G are sex based orientation. This lumps them in with t.
PM Understand some ppl feel like that and some don't Wide range among individuals.
NC lesbians find idea that TIM should be included menacing and homophobic
PM Understand some ppl feel like that and some differently

NC it's a variation on you haven't found the right man yet (re lesbians)
PM No comment
NC Did you write this yourself.
PM No. Would have agreed it.
NC Someone else wrote
PM comms team
NC you have pronouns in your linked bio
PM Don't know. May do
NC Have you ever added pronouns
PM [agrees]

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:01

CriticalCondition · 30/09/2026 11:59

Paedophiles was a 'choice' in the list she said she wasn't going to judge. 😨

I was not impressed!!

CriticalCondition · 30/09/2026 12:01

PM floundering wildly.

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:02

NC you have pronouns in your linked bio
PM Don't know. May do
NC Have you ever added pronouns
PM [agrees]

Oh come on!! Don't know? Fuck off!

fanOfBen · 30/09/2026 12:03

From TT:

NC you are obviously female.
NC pronouns show you agree with GII. GC never put pronouns in - actually they may cos someone made them think will be disapproved of if don't.
PM no idea
NC Declaring your own pronouns says pronouns not determined by person's sex but by own GI

PM I respect ppl's right to use pronouns
NC You're not t
PM t
NC so..
PM not about me feeling comfortable but for others.
NC providing comfort for t ppl, their wish
PM not so much their wish, they ability to live comfortably with themselves and others.
NC JF displays pronouns on email

Appalonia · 30/09/2026 12:05

These pp have just blindly signed up to an ideology they patently don't understand in order to be ' inclusive '...

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2026 12:05

TAT TIME

Appalonia · 30/09/2026 12:05

Merch Alert!😂

StSpiridian · 30/09/2026 12:05

This witness is outright lying - didn't know she had pronouns listed! I hope the judge calls it out.

Signalbox · 30/09/2026 12:07

NC really wants to use the word "tat" 😂

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