Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

Sorry @fanOfBen you'll have to get back up. The support camels are at the front door, and Carrie is desperate for a wee.

Oh dear God... put those unfortunate, deformed Camels out of their misery! AI is so cruel.

Ssh the camels will hear you!

Yes I've often thought that her questions are frequently long winded and just confuse the witness.

They look more like cam-garoos

I might be misremembering but something sticks in my mind about him studying for a degree. Also didn’t he threaten to access the medical records of the non verbal disabled woman who he abused on X? Didn’t he threaten that he could ‘flag’ her record? Or again am I being unfair to him?

Or the dog at the end of The Fly II.

They look like Cameroos!

Dammit! I thought I was the first! 😂😂

I don’t quite agree. NC is not just asking questions she is putting ideas before the panel that she know the witness will wriggle out of but actually give important hinterland.

It’s not just about the witness and their credibility but what their approach and understanding demonstrates about the RCN in general. She has to produce layers. Ben didn't have to do that because it was more about the witness providing evidence about more surface information,

For example, GTs continuing attempts to avoid demonstrating any knowledge that might bring harm down on her ie anything that might be seen by activists and misogynists back at base as being anything other than trans positive - tho she is skating on thin ice agreeing with the law - shows that what matters more to her than repoing members is her own standing. This matters be because union reps should not feel afraid of a) asking questions b) doing research c) understanding recent ET and EAT decisions.

The fact that a rep thinks it acceptable to have no responsibility of informing themselves about the wider contexts of a member’s suspension is indicative of capture. The fact that she claims the entire responsibility for informing her lay on SP setting it out clearly during a phone call or two is an entire abdication of responsibility yet GT thinks it covers her back.

layers

I love NCs layers although it is not a dramatic or straightforward approach.

At least you can spell!

I think she is usually very clear. But the swishing white noise of terror between their ears causes the witnesses some problems. I think they are often just taken aback by what she is asking them that they play for time by asking her to repeat her question.

So the Marquis dame worked at Oxford did she. It don't get much more left wing than that. Therefore captured.

I thought it was interesting that Gillian Tait kept using NCs name. A bit like Titter/X users who call JKR ‘Joanne’ in tweets.

I’ve never heard a witness do this before.

Phew. Finally caught up on all the reading and am up to date.

Those poor nurses! The lazy, self satisfied sorry excuses for union reps.

Saying that, I'm excited by the prospect of Suffragette RCN tat in the near future, thanks to Norman.

This afternoon's victim witness used the expression 'partnership workings'. I've never heard that term before but it sends shivers down my spine for some reason.
Equal to "I'm from the government, I want to help"

Lol, I suspect her tactic was to simply try and point score on every question asked of her. I couldn't quite believe my ears when she said she didn't think members would have any qualms about approaching the RCN to complain about a black person using the changing room simply so she could reject the claim that women like SP might not risk coming forward through fear of how they would be treated. I think even NC was momentarily stunned into silence

Definitely - I'd order some even though I'm not a nurse!

I think he told a severely disabled woman that he could flag her records & she'd never get an ambulance sent out to her.

He's a love, isn't he?

My listening pleasure could only have been improved if NC had channelled Alan Sugar and called the assorted RCN products 'a load of old tut'.

I was struck by that as well. I had to address the judge once in the High Court during a JR. And had to refer to a barrister that I know well and would be happy to refer to by her given name in a social situation. I called her Miss ...

Is it too late to get RCN members to contact the RCN and tell them that yes, they were too frightened to complain about the direction the union was going in, repercussions etc?

This is like Schrödinger's Union. They would have represented SP beautifully had they been able to talk to her so they could understand her position, until they understood her position which was unacceptable.

I'm fast forming the opinion that unions are just money making rackets. You must be part of a union for your own protection. However, once you need protection, there is <insert reason> why you can't have the protection you need. Of course, if you aren't part of the union, they say 'If only you were part of the union, we would have protected you!'

DH had a serious employment matter re. redundancy. He contacted his union, who batted him backwards and forwards, told him to 'keep them updated' and asked 'what he wanted', then when he sent them a letter I had drafted for him because we'd reached an action deadline and they'd not helped at all, they just said "That's a great letter! Let us know how it goes..."

Or to say they would love to buy some RCM gender critical merch?

"Jennifer Melle, Bethany Hutchison, Lisa Lockey and Sandie Peggie wear handmade vintage style nurse caps with words Integrity, Dignity and Reality at close of Employment Tribunal in Dundee today. @crit_gen"

https://x.com/iainmasterton/status/2104598671056908647

ETA: despite his twitter post saying AI when you click on it he has confirmed the photos are NOT AI!