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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #65

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nauticant · 29/09/2026 10:25

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Thread 64: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5583133-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-64 27 September 2026 to 29 September 2026

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BettyBooper · 29/09/2026 14:54

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 14:53

Gillian is coming across as if she's in complete denial of the fact she seems to have joined a cult.

Gillian's answers are so utterly predictable... Giving almost word for word same answer as NP, no less...

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 14:54

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 14:52

<Stares at oven to make it bake more quickly>

I have fallen into the Mumsnet habit of 'DH' when posting here. In conversation I refer to him as 'Himself' 😋

We expect a photo.

ETA of the biscuits obviously! NOT the husband!

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 14:54

From TT:

be happy
GT Would be a conversation
NC That would be shut down v fast indeed
GT Disagree.
NC Your part re SP started in June when SF off sick. You offered help with dx but MG said SP didn't want TU representation
GT Correct

Signalbox · 29/09/2026 14:55

Think there needs to be a letter writing campaign where members of the RCN start requesting "GC" merch to be provided in the RCN shop.

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 14:56

From TT:

NC To case leaflet. Under other advisers it talks c have confidence in RCN. RCN may decide not to rep if you take other legal rep.
GT If you take your own legal advice.
NC You could have said RCN will support those without legal advice not concentrate on those who do.

Appalonia · 29/09/2026 14:56

Signalbox · 29/09/2026 14:55

Think there needs to be a letter writing campaign where members of the RCN start requesting "GC" merch to be provided in the RCN shop.

A great new income stream for Kellie Jay Keen!😁

WomanInnaWoods · 29/09/2026 14:57

...

bold GIF
FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 14:57

From TT:

GT
NC You push back - advised SP she should take TU rep in dx process
GT Not push back
NC Rep by union cos board wouldn't let her bring her sol
GT It's role to support members
NC [to doc] You were firmly but politely stood down by MG
GT Yes

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2026 14:59

Im guessing that the next point is.. Because the RCN manifested in so many ways that it was highly unsuited to providing adequate support and representation to a GC member

Will I be right????

NormalityIsOverrated · 29/09/2026 15:00

SomewhatGlad · 29/09/2026 14:35

Were they blessed in The Bluestocking, or produced under their imprimatur, and so are gluten-free?

I'm guessing gluten free, calorie free and guilt free?

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:00

From TT:

NC [doc] J Forrest to MG saying client looking for workplace rep. MG requess that RCN follow excellent eg set by S Dodson acting for Darlington nurses
GT Letter looks like that, yes.
NC She was asking union to exercise industrial muscle to defend f rights. And of all f members

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 15:02

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 14:54

We expect a photo.

ETA of the biscuits obviously! NOT the husband!

Edited

Well I have just told him he can get dressed again then 😂

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:02

From TT:

GT Yes, it's what it's asking for.
NC [to docs] I may have misnamed Sarah Dodsworth. Have you seen this before.
GT No. A moment to read.
NC Exemplary letter, clear and to point. Asking Darlington trust to comply with law. And that's what MG asked RCN to do through you for SP

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2026 15:03

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2026 14:59

Im guessing that the next point is.. Because the RCN manifested in so many ways that it was highly unsuited to providing adequate support and representation to a GC member

Will I be right????

no I was wrong. NC and I are not one mind in two bodies after all😒.

Seriestwo · 29/09/2026 15:03

I am
catching up and have a question that might need brain bleach. The photo of Fred Wallace, was it of his beefy thigh/bollock?

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:04

From TT:

GT [cross talking but think GT agrees]
NC You got in touch after July after MG asked for SP workplace rep. SP refers you back to letter sent to NP and solicitors. Clear what she was asking for.
GT Clear c helping SP get back to work and support.

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:04

I'm truly at a loss as to how they think they properly supported Sandie. They are admitting by their answers that they didn't even understand the law OR what Sandie's issues were.

Shortshriftandlethal · 29/09/2026 15:05

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 14:53

Gillian is coming across as if she's in complete denial of the fact she seems to have joined a cult.

That's a pre-requisite for membership.

Appalonia · 29/09/2026 15:05

Seriestwo · 29/09/2026 15:03

I am
catching up and have a question that might need brain bleach. The photo of Fred Wallace, was it of his beefy thigh/bollock?

We didn't see it, but would have made sense if it was!

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:05

RoseInAPot · 29/09/2026 15:02

Well I have just told him he can get dressed again then 😂

😱

YouCanCallMeMonster · 29/09/2026 15:05

Seriestwo · 29/09/2026 15:03

I am
catching up and have a question that might need brain bleach. The photo of Fred Wallace, was it of his beefy thigh/bollock?

I suspect it was much worse as o think it was something he had posted on Bluesky

FarriersGirl · 29/09/2026 15:06

From TT:

NC MG letter to Anderson S. RCN has employment law advice. Interim guidance re TW shouldn't use f facilities. Asking for 3rd time RCN writes to employer to hold to account. Asking for positive engagement on part of union to hold Fife to legal obligations. You understand the difference.
GT Yes
NC 4 Aug. You are treating it as individual matter. Dispute between SP/Fife not as union needing to take up cudgels on behalf of f membership
GT Yes, my role to support SP as individual case.
NC MG response makes matter very clear. SP considers

Justabaker · 29/09/2026 15:06

If I understand the timeline......by the time that GT became Sandie's case worker, at least part one of the Tribunal v Fife & Dr U. And GT says that she doesn't know what TERF means, in fact knows nothing about the gender critical debate.

Boiledbeetle · 29/09/2026 15:07

YouCanCallMeMonster · 29/09/2026 15:05

I suspect it was much worse as o think it was something he had posted on Bluesky

I wonder if it was the sex dungeon photos?

YouCanCallMeMonster · 29/09/2026 15:08

Oh Gillian….irrespective of how many cosy partnerships you have, there is still a requirement to operate within the law!

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