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How To Destroy A Lesbian Bar - Atlantic article by Helen Lewis

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Brefugee · 27/09/2026 08:17

Couldn't find a thread about this - an article about how left-wing activism eats its own young. It is how a Lesbian bar that announced mask free evenings (as the Covid pandemic was waning) was absolutely slaughtered.

How to Destroy a Lesbian Bar - The Atlantic

archive article here

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noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 15:20

Brefugee · 27/09/2026 15:08

it is a weird state of affairs, that i ponder endlessly, that while most things are becoming more binary with no middle ground - this is not true of Gender Identity which is expanding to fill all known space

Gender identity is definitely hugely political in the US, have you ever watched/read any of their gender clinic whistleblowers giving testimony? They start by giving their left-wing credentials - ‘I’m a lesbian foster-carer Democrat…’ before they say anything negative about the gender clinic, because if there is any hint that they are Republican then no one who needs to will pay the slightest bit of attention to what they say because they’re obviously just a Trump supporter.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 15:22

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 15:13

Have you heard what Polanski has planned for schools if he gained power?

Calling everyone Comrade and mandated struggle sessions?

Mind you, Reform want everyone in school to be singing hymns and a daily National Anthem while saluting the flag.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 15:24

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 15:22

Calling everyone Comrade and mandated struggle sessions?

Mind you, Reform want everyone in school to be singing hymns and a daily National Anthem while saluting the flag.

Indeed, let's hope the Tories get their shit together.
I believe the first thing Polanski would do is end all exams, revert to coursework alone.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/09/2026 15:28

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 15:22

Calling everyone Comrade and mandated struggle sessions?

Mind you, Reform want everyone in school to be singing hymns and a daily National Anthem while saluting the flag.

Well at least the kids will learn to carry a tune, and develop hand eye co-ordination.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/09/2026 15:31

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 15:24

Indeed, let's hope the Tories get their shit together.
I believe the first thing Polanski would do is end all exams, revert to coursework alone.

Perhaps he doesn't realise how badly boys do when marked on course work only, he'll end up producing a generation of uneducated, unemployable men, that should work well for him. 😂

PowerhouseOfTheCell · 27/09/2026 15:57

The article has left out that one of the former owners actually left to join clown college! (I'm not joking)

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 16:01

PowerhouseOfTheCell · 27/09/2026 15:57

The article has left out that one of the former owners actually left to join clown college! (I'm not joking)

There's something very League Of Gentlemen about this
Lesbians forced to wear face masks.
A male IDing lesbian called Soe Noire.
A former owner joins Clown School.
I mean, you really couldn't make it up.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 16:04

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 15:24

Indeed, let's hope the Tories get their shit together.
I believe the first thing Polanski would do is end all exams, revert to coursework alone.

Thank goodness that the grifter Polanski has no chance of getting anywhere near serious power then.

Bringing back coursework would be bad enough, but bringing back coursework now that the kids can just get AI to do it for them would be an act of monumental stupidity. So of course the Greens would go for it.

Lucy Powell has clarified that Labour aren’t planning on bringing back coursework because there were definitely suspicions they would be stupid enough to.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 16:14

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 16:04

Thank goodness that the grifter Polanski has no chance of getting anywhere near serious power then.

Bringing back coursework would be bad enough, but bringing back coursework now that the kids can just get AI to do it for them would be an act of monumental stupidity. So of course the Greens would go for it.

Lucy Powell has clarified that Labour aren’t planning on bringing back coursework because there were definitely suspicions they would be stupid enough to.

I've been reading a great overview of the 70s, and there was a school where the pupils were invited into the staff room to discuss how they'd like to be taught.
There are no new idiocies, just new idiots.

Kingdomofsleep · 27/09/2026 16:32

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 16:01

There's something very League Of Gentlemen about this
Lesbians forced to wear face masks.
A male IDing lesbian called Soe Noire.
A former owner joins Clown School.
I mean, you really couldn't make it up.

Ah is Soe Noire male? I thought trans man ie female sex.

Perhaps it doesn't matter because "lesbian" probably means something different to the owner of this bar.

Secretseverywhere · 27/09/2026 16:36

I listened to a podcast on this and it was hilarious. It’s worth pointing out that any old masks are not acceptable. You need an N95 mask with a self sealing straw port way beyond what most of us were doing during the pandemic.

I really felt for the poor owner as part of the meeting was supposed to be about whether there was any good financial ideas for the bar, given her living in her car and working three jobs to pay for it wasn’t cutting it anymore. Instead she and all the other white / white adjacent volunteers as there isn’t paid staff were told they were genocidal ableists.

This is a definite downside to the internet, can you imagine if someone was spouting this nonsense in a pub back in the day. Everyone would give them a wide berth now that 0.001% of crazy can find the others and effect actual policy changes. It’s utterly bonkers.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 16:39

Kingdomofsleep · 27/09/2026 16:32

Ah is Soe Noire male? I thought trans man ie female sex.

Perhaps it doesn't matter because "lesbian" probably means something different to the owner of this bar.

Maybe, who can keep up? So, a natal female uses male pronouns, and is a lesbian?
A natal female transmasculine lesbian?
Maybe post op? Maybe not?
Soe Noire is soe on the nose.
All we need is for Sophie Sparkles trans lesbian polycule to pop over for the night, masked up of course...
League Of Gentlemen still comes to mind.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 16:50

If you feel sorry for the homeless bar owner, and were thinking of donating some money to keep it going, the bar has asked for donations to go to Soe Noire instead.

How To Destroy A Lesbian Bar - Atlantic article by Helen Lewis
TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 27/09/2026 16:52

Maybe that explains it, they must all have honking great nose rings, which probably makes breathing twice as hard, if you stick a weapons grade face mask on top of that, they're probably only getting about a quarter of the oxygen they need. So they're all suffering from oxygen deprivation, very bad for the cognitive functions oxygen deprivation is.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/09/2026 16:59

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 16:50

If you feel sorry for the homeless bar owner, and were thinking of donating some money to keep it going, the bar has asked for donations to go to Soe Noire instead.

It cut off the last line which read 'If anyone has seen the 'kick me' sign I normally wear on my back could you please return it to me. Unless you wish to keep it. In which case, sorry.'

I agree no-one should be harassing Soe Noire, or anyone else, but I didn't get the impression from the article that she was responsible for any of those things. Just for being as self centred as a gyroscope.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 17:03

lcakethereforeIam · 27/09/2026 16:59

It cut off the last line which read 'If anyone has seen the 'kick me' sign I normally wear on my back could you please return it to me. Unless you wish to keep it. In which case, sorry.'

I agree no-one should be harassing Soe Noire, or anyone else, but I didn't get the impression from the article that she was responsible for any of those things. Just for being as self centred as a gyroscope.

No, these people never stirred up trouble. They never used virtue to put others down, they never judged and then penalized.
No, they're always were live and let live. There's never a reason that all that bad karma they dished out comes back to bite them on the bum.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 17:04

lcakethereforeIam · 27/09/2026 16:59

It cut off the last line which read 'If anyone has seen the 'kick me' sign I normally wear on my back could you please return it to me. Unless you wish to keep it. In which case, sorry.'

I agree no-one should be harassing Soe Noire, or anyone else, but I didn't get the impression from the article that she was responsible for any of those things. Just for being as self centred as a gyroscope.

I mean, the owner is living in her car and working three jobs, the bar is $50,000 in debt but is refusing donations?

Some people just can’t be helped.

lcakethereforeIam · 27/09/2026 17:37

She's probably counting the hours until she can close the place and leave with relatively clean hands. While she virtuously has to be seen to be doing everything she can to keep it going. The last thing she actually needs is money to stop it going tits up.

noblegiraffe · 27/09/2026 17:39

lcakethereforeIam · 27/09/2026 17:37

She's probably counting the hours until she can close the place and leave with relatively clean hands. While she virtuously has to be seen to be doing everything she can to keep it going. The last thing she actually needs is money to stop it going tits up.

What would happen to the debt she’s in?

lcakethereforeIam · 27/09/2026 17:47

Don't know @noblegiraffe I don't have a clue how it would work in this country let alone the US. If the bar isn't currently profitable she's just going to get further in debt.

NormalityIsOverrated · 27/09/2026 17:48

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 16:01

There's something very League Of Gentlemen about this
Lesbians forced to wear face masks.
A male IDing lesbian called Soe Noire.
A former owner joins Clown School.
I mean, you really couldn't make it up.

You're my wife now Dave

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 17:53

lcakethereforeIam · 27/09/2026 17:47

Don't know @noblegiraffe I don't have a clue how it would work in this country let alone the US. If the bar isn't currently profitable she's just going to get further in debt.

It's like Hotel California.
Just with more tripwires and red tape.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 27/09/2026 17:53

NormalityIsOverrated · 27/09/2026 17:48

You're my wife now Dave

When satire becomes (un)reality.

DrBlackbird · 27/09/2026 18:18

This is sadism disguised as activism.

I’ll need to ponder this line from Helen, but what a wonderfully witty and sardonic (hopefully not A.I. written) article reflecting on an ultimately depressing state of affairs for young lefty liberals in America fixated on identity, virtue signalling, and victim hood. Doesn’t make for a joyful life.

NotAtMyAge · 27/09/2026 18:47

None of this appeased the critics, one of whom felt the bar was insufficiently devoted to “revolutionary praxis,” which is like normal praxis but the discussions you have about it go around and around forever.

Helen Lewis on top form in this splendid article.