Let's Ignore The Supreme Court and the Rule of Law (or We Hate Women. We Hate That They Have Rights. So We're Going To Break The Law Because We Feel Like It.)

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Just a reminder:

Equality Act 2010 - 16 years ago
Supreme Court ruling (April 2025) - 15 months ago

I'm so angry about all the public services in the UK that are refusing to obey the law, that I thought I'd just start a list of them, starting with the most recent I can think of (and have recent threads on FWR). Please feel free to add any others you find.

Lambeth Council
NHS Scotland
Staffordshire Police
Hampstead Ponds
Bristol City Council

The Civil Service

Waltham Forest Council
Hackney Council?

Brighton and Hove City Council

Best Thread Title Ever!

I'm just so angry tonight!!😆

Anything to placate men's fetish.

Relying soley on lawfare is not the answer, you have to change the culture so that these views are less dominate within institutions such as universities (from which the professional class largely come). That will take time unfortunately.

London Assembly

The left and polite society/civic institutions are so stupid. What do they think is going to happen if a Reform govt takes hold? That the niceties of life will be maintained?
No, they've shown that the rule of law can be flouted as the SC ruling is ignored or obfuscated every step of the way by the NHS, police, universities, academia etc.
So a Reform govt will similarly push their agenda.
Don't like illegals being rounded up and deported by Reform ? Their lawful rights ignored? The rule of law should prevail?
Well, you should have thought about that when even after the SC ruling came in, you still put men's rights above women's.
Reform will have been watching. And learning.

Still waiting for civil service guidance but unless it's clear that men should not be in female spaces AND they'll take action on anyone breaking policy I'll be putting in a complaint immediately and following it all the way through.

I don't need to actually meet a man in the loos or locker room to be afraid that it's likely to happen because my employer have said that they will not police the policy and that women may not challenge anyone in their spaces - this is in the draft policy I have seen!

I agree about it taking time to change cultures. However, the law is the law now. We don't need to change any culture to obey the law. If it was as wishy-washy as "culture " then it wouldn't be a law.

What easier way to change the rotten-to-the-core culture of public services? Step One: obey the law.

I think it requires both cultural change and lawfare. This problem is too deeply engrained to expect only one thing (lawfare) to fix it, especially if the ones in charge are still committed to letting men into womens spaces.

Lewisham Council?

Most of these services won't change their cultures unless/until they are sued. If each and every one of these "people in charge" were sued personally, the culture would change PDQ. If we can't sue the people, sue the service. Which is what is happening.

I don't believe any of these will change unless they are forced by the courts to do so.

Once the government itself is seen to be unapologetically not following it's own laws (and actually fighting in court against the law's implementation), it loses all credibility.

We are in very dangerous times.

Gwent Police

Most of these services won't change their cultures unless/until they are sued.

They won't change their culture even if they are sued. Suing someone doesn't change their mind that they were wrong, especially when they truly believe they are acting on the right side of history (and the universities are indeed teaching people that this is the right side of history). The indoctrination culture in universities is where the problem starts.

Suing may make some temporary changes but as long as these views exist people are going to be pushing to reintroduce them (or find ways to circumvent the law). Also suing each and every pro-trans manager is not exactly feasible given the scale of the problem.

Yes, I fully expect that I will be taking an NHS Trust to court sometime in the near future, if they don't change their ways. Female single-sex healthcare and personal care in the NHS is the hill I'm willing to die on.

What a world we live in right now!

Hope it works out ok for you!

I know all about HE culture, and I know how slowly change moves in HE. If they're indoctrinating students and staff to break laws, then they will find out soon enough, because someone will take them to court as well.

I don't care if someone changes their mind. I'm not out to win friends and influence people. I don't care if they don't like it. All I require is that they obey the law.

We'll have to agree to disagree on how we're going to get over this mess.

West London NHS Trust

I don't care if they don't like it. All I require is that they obey the law.

I do care that they respect the law because people are more likely to comply with laws they respect than laws they morally object to.

Also if people don't change their mind it simply means they will then do what they can to change the laws by voting for politicians that promise to amend the equality act to allow men into women's spaces. Public opinion matters.

There's a special place in hell for the ones who already lost in court, yet learnt nothing.

The OU - lost against Jo Phoenix: have launched a research program about what it's like to be persecuted by transphobes 🙄

Amnesty - on the losing side in FWS: launched damaging libels against the winning parties.

They can respect it, loathe it, love it, or hate it. The only action required is that the obey it. Their only recourse is to change the law through democratic processes. In the meantime, they are still required to obey the law. I'm sure we can agree on that.

It's been an interesting side discussion, but I'd like to focus on the list of Usual Suspects. If you have any to add, that would be much appreciated. Thanks.

ps. Well, you edited and added before I posted. I think we are in agreement then. If people don't like the law, they can try to change it. I have no problem with that. In the meantime, the law is the law, and we should all expect everyone to obey it.

I just think you are being a bit naive to assume people will abide by a law when they truly believe the law is evil/inhumane. Some will of course if they have to, but they also be looking at how they can lobby to get the law changed (or indeed how they can secretly flout the law like we are currently seeing).

Unless someone truly changes their mind, we are constantly going to be fighting them in the courts and at the polling booth. And yes, I have a big problem with them potentially changing the law to let men into womens spaces.

Yes, we've been over this already. You are starting to sound like an apologist for lawbreakers, which is probably not the look you were going for.

This is a list of public services who are refusing to obey the law or indicating that they are intending to disobey the law. If you have any organizations to add to the list, that would be welcome.

I'm not going to debate endlessly with you about ethics, morals, democratic processes, or culture dynamics. If you continue to argue, you will be arguing with yourself. I will not enable you to derail this thread.