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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/07/2026 10:16

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

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PrettyDamnCosmic · 16/07/2026 08:24

AimsAndObjectives · 15/07/2026 23:14

It's interesting how quickly society's view of those who drove while over the limit switched from being pretty much accepted to complete social pariahs. When the public turns, it turns.

Likewise smoking in pubs & restaurants.

JustTryingToBeMe · 16/07/2026 09:29

MakesNoDifference · 15/07/2026 16:05

I don’t think it’s clear that’s the case at all. You say the law has always been this way, including before the Equality Act passed, so why are there no cases proving this already? Trans people have always used opposite sex spaces and the ones just there to have the facilities have not been a problem.

I would like to understand the thought process (and ideally the law) which gives you the right to invade women’s spaces. Men are not women so in what grounds are your (and others) actions justified?

BunfightBetty · 16/07/2026 09:41

JustTryingToBeMe · 16/07/2026 09:29

I would like to understand the thought process (and ideally the law) which gives you the right to invade women’s spaces. Men are not women so in what grounds are your (and others) actions justified?

Trans people have always used opposite sex spaces and the ones just there to have the facilities have not been a problem.

Then they shouldn’t have been.

I’m sceptical of your claim, though, and see no evidence to support it. It hasn’t been the norm for people to use opposite sex spaces. I’m not saying it has never happens, but it wasn’t widespread and commonplace. Even during the attempted push back of women’s rights over the last ten years or so, it still isn’t something I’ve seen a lot of, though there has definitely been an uptick.

As for there not being a problem, that’s rubbish, as evidenced by the sexual assaults in toilets by trans identified males and also the fact that many of us do have a problem with it.

Ultimately, though, no matter what anyone did before, the law is now abundantly clear and nobody has the right to use single sex facilities for the other sex. So stay out of them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2026 10:03

I don’t believe they have either. It’s an attempt to rewrite history to gaslight women that everyone’s always been ok with it. I wouldn’t have been then and I’m not now.

Talkinpeace · 16/07/2026 10:18

Men pretending to be women have invaded female spaces for many years
women stay silent
because such men are a threat

Men have gone into womens toilets over the years with varying levels of consent
eg during the New Romantic era
but those men never pretended to be something they were not

Pingponghavoc · 16/07/2026 10:32

If its aways been accepted for men to use women's spaces, why did we have an explosion of 'dont confront men in these spaces' signs

Why would women suddenly forget that its acceptable and they are ok with it?

The spaces transvestites used where in gay clubs, or cross dressing spaces. I suspect that the transvestites we occasionally saw in the street didnt put themselves in the position to be challenged because it would've burst their bubble.

But again, even if our grandmother's were happy to share, consent means we can change our mind.

Keeptoiletssafe · 16/07/2026 10:49

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 15/07/2026 16:56

I fear you will be waiting a long time for a coherent response. It will take him a long time to read that many big words.

I think you’re right. I always like to hear a solid counter argument. But alas, they never appear.

ItsCoolForCats · 16/07/2026 12:39

What protests are planned? Please not another topless one 🙏🏻

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/07/2026 12:50

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2026 10:03

I don’t believe they have either. It’s an attempt to rewrite history to gaslight women that everyone’s always been ok with it. I wouldn’t have been then and I’m not now.

It's also important to remember we are talking about different men and different demands.

I'm sure a handful of relatively old school transsexuals and possibly transvestite did use women's bogs and were either not clocked or quietly ignored.

However, the evolution and convergence of transexualism and transvestisism from personal secrets into political and social identities, and with that what I'd call the agressive/colonialist trans identifying men, has increased both the number and diversity of men who wish to use women's facilities.

And these new men, the ones who call themselves transgender and see their existence as a political statement as well as a practical fact, don't just hope for their presence in the wrong places to be quietly ignored as a courtesy. They want an absolute right to be there and for women to know they have that right, that power over us and know that we can't object or do anything about it. They see women asserting our own boundaries and rights as a challenge to them and they want to win.

That is a massive change.

So the TRActivists arguing that sex doesn't matter now based on what might or might not have been accepted or at least ignored 30 plus years ago for a completely different group of men (some of whom of course were very problematic towards women and women's spaces even then) are at best ignorant and at worst down right deceitful.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/07/2026 12:53

Yes, exactly. The nature of the demands have changed and people are increasingly aware of it.

ElenOfTheWays · 16/07/2026 13:10

MashaPav · 15/07/2026 15:49

Time to put my punk boots back on and ensure there’s some real feminism in the toilets and not feminist identified transphobes. Luckily there’s more real feminist than FIT’s. It makes me sick seeing feminist identified transphobes destroying women’s rights by appropriating feminism.
Stay at home if you’re too “scared” to use a public toilet because trans people dare to exist.

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I have to ask. Wtf are punk boots? 😂I'm actually from the era when punk was big and I've never heard of them. Anyway, I'll back my vintage Docs against your "punk boots" Any day.

BunfightBetty · 16/07/2026 13:52

FlirtsWithRhinos · 16/07/2026 12:50

It's also important to remember we are talking about different men and different demands.

I'm sure a handful of relatively old school transsexuals and possibly transvestite did use women's bogs and were either not clocked or quietly ignored.

However, the evolution and convergence of transexualism and transvestisism from personal secrets into political and social identities, and with that what I'd call the agressive/colonialist trans identifying men, has increased both the number and diversity of men who wish to use women's facilities.

And these new men, the ones who call themselves transgender and see their existence as a political statement as well as a practical fact, don't just hope for their presence in the wrong places to be quietly ignored as a courtesy. They want an absolute right to be there and for women to know they have that right, that power over us and know that we can't object or do anything about it. They see women asserting our own boundaries and rights as a challenge to them and they want to win.

That is a massive change.

So the TRActivists arguing that sex doesn't matter now based on what might or might not have been accepted or at least ignored 30 plus years ago for a completely different group of men (some of whom of course were very problematic towards women and women's spaces even then) are at best ignorant and at worst down right deceitful.

👏👏👏

Aparecium · 17/07/2026 11:58

ElenOfTheWays · 16/07/2026 13:10

I have to ask. Wtf are punk boots? 😂I'm actually from the era when punk was big and I've never heard of them. Anyway, I'll back my vintage Docs against your "punk boots" Any day.

Typo. He missed the s at the beginning.

Seainasive · 17/07/2026 12:28

I don’t know what I have done to deserve it, but my LinkedIn feed is full of posts from professionals ( HR Managers, University Professors! )urging their contacts to sign a petition to disapprove the new guidance.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/07/2026 12:30

Hasn’t the commencement been set already, what do they hope to achieve by yet another tedious petition?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/07/2026 12:30

People sign these things without much thought.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 17/07/2026 12:32

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/07/2026 12:30

Hasn’t the commencement been set already, what do they hope to achieve by yet another tedious petition?

The guidance comes into force in less than 3 weeks time on Wednesday 5th August.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/07/2026 12:34

Yes, I thought it was pretty much set in stone now, however much whinging there is about it.

Cars4Gov · 17/07/2026 12:38

IwantToRetire · 16/07/2026 01:35

Not sure about posting here as a quick read through suggests another hijacked thread.

But if anyone is interested (sorry if already posted)

Independent expert urges UK leaders to uphold Supreme Court ruling on women’s rights | UN News

Really good read. Thank you.. Let's see if those who say they fight to reduce violence against women and girls stand up for our safe spaces.

Obanotters · 17/07/2026 12:51

PrettyDamnCosmic · 17/07/2026 12:32

The guidance comes into force in less than 3 weeks time on Wednesday 5th August.

The law to which it relates has been in force since 2010 and was clarified in Easter last year concerning GRC (and repeatedly before that for years regarding self ID). So following old guidance would put you at risk of litigation

PrettyDamnCosmic · 17/07/2026 12:56

Obanotters · 17/07/2026 12:51

The law to which it relates has been in force since 2010 and was clarified in Easter last year concerning GRC (and repeatedly before that for years regarding self ID). So following old guidance would put you at risk of litigation

So following old guidance would put you at risk of litigation

Following the guidance is a defence at an ET. The guidance is statutory so if you follow it you should not be at risk of litigation. The fact that the guidance has been wrong since 2011 is a big part of the current problem as it pre-dates Stonewall Law. The new guidance supersedes the old guidance but not until 5t August.

TheDogsMother · 17/07/2026 12:59

This thread has motivated me to complain to a council about a recent encounter I had in a Ladies Public Toilet and to point out that their signage needs to be much, much clearer.

Obanotters · 17/07/2026 13:05

PrettyDamnCosmic · 17/07/2026 12:56

So following old guidance would put you at risk of litigation

Following the guidance is a defence at an ET. The guidance is statutory so if you follow it you should not be at risk of litigation. The fact that the guidance has been wrong since 2011 is a big part of the current problem as it pre-dates Stonewall Law. The new guidance supersedes the old guidance but not until 5t August.

But the guidance never overrules the legislation, statutory or not. And given the level of publicity plus interim guidance it would not be a strong defence.

Justme56 · 17/07/2026 13:07

Maybe silly question but isn’t the guidance that comes into line on 5th August about service users not employees. Obviously the SC ruling had an impact on both but with regards to ETs the legislation EA10 and health and safety regs would be what is argued about not this particular guidance. It’s all very confusing.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/07/2026 13:11

Service providers.

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