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EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026

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SingleSexSpacesInSchools · Today 10:16

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

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Wishesandhorses · Today 16:37

And to just copy over a post to another bore of a plopper today:

all this rushing to a women's rights group to tell women the law doesn't matter? If it didn't matter love, you wouldn't be bothering, would you? You wouldn't be anxious enough to run to women and tell them they're still under the heel of men and can't escape it, you wouldn't see those women as important enough to come and bore at. So I don't believe you.

And let's run through the list shall we?

Women and gay people can now, without men with gender identities and political extremists harassing them and insisting the law is on their side:

set up their own lesbian or gay groups and keep those single sex
have sex based prisons
have sex based workspace toilets - and no, employers won't have men arrested for illegally invading women's spaces but they will have to get out disciplinary procedures and build it into contracts I would think, if a few men are determined to be arses about this,
have schools not allowed to let adults use children for their own political hobby horses and ignore safeguarding to have mixed sex changing, toilets or sleeping arrangements
have no fannying around about whether a man identifying can hold a job advertised for women in a women-only space or role
not be strip searched by someone of the opposite sex with a gender identity who wants to use them for validation purposes
have someone of the same sex hcp if needed without this turning out to be someone of the opposite sex expressing their gender needs on a non consenting person's body

etc etc etc.

And this Hail Mary of Bridget's about 'not policing' toilets is bollocks - a man poncing around with a sword or a machete, wanking in a cubicle with a door open, etc etc (all of which have happened and are easily found online) can certainly be challenged by women, cannot claim the law is on his side, and if he kicks off about this (call me ma'am!!!) he certainly can be arrested for threatening behaviour, and/or banned from premises if he chooses to make this necessary. And frankly I would think his chances of doing a woman for 'harassment' when she tells him to get out of a single sex space she needs are very, very slim, because he was knowingly and purposefully harassing her and every other woman in the space first.

So yeah, definitely makes a huge, huge difference for women. It's about bloody time too.

spannasaurus · Today 16:38

MakesNoDifference · Today 16:27

What about before the EA and ‘stonewall law’? The point I’m trying to make it that trans people have been using spaces for decades largely without issue or being noticed. That probably isn’t going to change.

You don't think anyone would have noticed these two transwomen in a female SSS

EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026
EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026
Wishesandhorses · Today 16:42

'but you might not knooooooow...'

for pete's sake, every man who has been arrested and prosecuted for behaviour or assault or worse in a women's single sex space is very very very obviously a man. The pictures in the court cases - no one was ever going to have any doubt. And some of those men were quite intentionally using the 'you can't say no to me because I say I'm a woman' line to offend.

This change of law shuts all that down.

Even men who are very pretty - frankly Alex Drummond in the picture above is a very pretty man, but unmistakeably a man and he openly signals it along with his provoking of women in his 'look at me stretching the bandwidth of womanhood' nonsense - and who 'pass' to the point they've never caused any of the problems that forced women to push this through court and get the law reaffirmed to protect themselves? Really should think very seriously about why they see their personal needs and wishes as more important than those of every woman in the facility or who will ever need to use that facility. And what it says about them, and that they believe that if women don't know, it's ok to do this to them. Aka the Giselle Pellicot defense.

FlirtsWithRhinos · Today 16:53

"Strectching the bandwidth of womanhood" - so fucking misogynistic isn't it?

Apparently the diversity of half of the human race is a bit meh and samey, but throw in a just a handful of men with interesting gendery feelings about what makes a woman and - wow, immediately women become soooo much more interesting and diverse!

Thank the lord for these trans women coming into the fold and finally making womanhood actually matter.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · Today 16:56

Keeptoiletssafe · Today 16:37

I have written a really long reply at 16.04 to @MakesNoDifference so hopefully will get an answer as I would like to hear the counter argument.

I fear you will be waiting a long time for a coherent response. It will take him a long time to read that many big words.

Wishesandhorses · Today 16:57

It's the terra nullis belief isn't it? The deep misogynistic belief that women are only ever relevant in how they are useful to men.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · Today 17:01

MashaPav · Today 15:49

Time to put my punk boots back on and ensure there’s some real feminism in the toilets and not feminist identified transphobes. Luckily there’s more real feminist than FIT’s. It makes me sick seeing feminist identified transphobes destroying women’s rights by appropriating feminism.
Stay at home if you’re too “scared” to use a public toilet because trans people dare to exist.

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Give it a rest, mate. It's done. You can go back to your playpen now, there's a good boy. We grownups will go back to living in the real world.

Welcome to Reality.

Obanotters · Today 17:02

i see we have reached the ‘people have been drunk driving for years so I am not going to stop drinking and driving’ point of the debate…

Mmmnotsure · Today 17:03

Wishesandhorses · Today 16:42

'but you might not knooooooow...'

for pete's sake, every man who has been arrested and prosecuted for behaviour or assault or worse in a women's single sex space is very very very obviously a man. The pictures in the court cases - no one was ever going to have any doubt. And some of those men were quite intentionally using the 'you can't say no to me because I say I'm a woman' line to offend.

This change of law shuts all that down.

Even men who are very pretty - frankly Alex Drummond in the picture above is a very pretty man, but unmistakeably a man and he openly signals it along with his provoking of women in his 'look at me stretching the bandwidth of womanhood' nonsense - and who 'pass' to the point they've never caused any of the problems that forced women to push this through court and get the law reaffirmed to protect themselves? Really should think very seriously about why they see their personal needs and wishes as more important than those of every woman in the facility or who will ever need to use that facility. And what it says about them, and that they believe that if women don't know, it's ok to do this to them. Aka the Giselle Pellicot defense.

The Gisèle Pelicot defence - thank you, that is useful shorthand.

MrsOvertonsWindow · Today 17:16

Wishesandhorses · Today 16:37

And to just copy over a post to another bore of a plopper today:

all this rushing to a women's rights group to tell women the law doesn't matter? If it didn't matter love, you wouldn't be bothering, would you? You wouldn't be anxious enough to run to women and tell them they're still under the heel of men and can't escape it, you wouldn't see those women as important enough to come and bore at. So I don't believe you.

And let's run through the list shall we?

Women and gay people can now, without men with gender identities and political extremists harassing them and insisting the law is on their side:

set up their own lesbian or gay groups and keep those single sex
have sex based prisons
have sex based workspace toilets - and no, employers won't have men arrested for illegally invading women's spaces but they will have to get out disciplinary procedures and build it into contracts I would think, if a few men are determined to be arses about this,
have schools not allowed to let adults use children for their own political hobby horses and ignore safeguarding to have mixed sex changing, toilets or sleeping arrangements
have no fannying around about whether a man identifying can hold a job advertised for women in a women-only space or role
not be strip searched by someone of the opposite sex with a gender identity who wants to use them for validation purposes
have someone of the same sex hcp if needed without this turning out to be someone of the opposite sex expressing their gender needs on a non consenting person's body

etc etc etc.

And this Hail Mary of Bridget's about 'not policing' toilets is bollocks - a man poncing around with a sword or a machete, wanking in a cubicle with a door open, etc etc (all of which have happened and are easily found online) can certainly be challenged by women, cannot claim the law is on his side, and if he kicks off about this (call me ma'am!!!) he certainly can be arrested for threatening behaviour, and/or banned from premises if he chooses to make this necessary. And frankly I would think his chances of doing a woman for 'harassment' when she tells him to get out of a single sex space she needs are very, very slim, because he was knowingly and purposefully harassing her and every other woman in the space first.

So yeah, definitely makes a huge, huge difference for women. It's about bloody time too.

That's a cracking post Wishes. Flowers

MyAmpleSheep · Today 17:54

Has anyone commented on this yet?

Walk away - or take your clothes off. Those are your options!

EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026
SinnerBoy · Today 17:57

MashaPav · Today 15:49

Time to put my punk boots back on and ensure there’s some real feminism in the toilets and not feminist identified transphobes. Luckily there’s more real feminist than FIT’s.

Oh, so you're threatening violence towards women, who simply want to uphold their legally held rights to privacy, dignity and single sex spaces in general? Well, aren't you just a stereotypical trans extremist zealot.

DialSquare · Today 17:58

MashaPav · Today 15:49

Time to put my punk boots back on and ensure there’s some real feminism in the toilets and not feminist identified transphobes. Luckily there’s more real feminist than FIT’s. It makes me sick seeing feminist identified transphobes destroying women’s rights by appropriating feminism.
Stay at home if you’re too “scared” to use a public toilet because trans people dare to exist.

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LunaShip · Today 18:00

MakesNoDifference · Today 16:27

What about before the EA and ‘stonewall law’? The point I’m trying to make it that trans people have been using spaces for decades largely without issue or being noticed. That probably isn’t going to change.

No, they really, really have not been. We're not blind. We know if a male is in the space.

SinnerBoy · Today 18:08

MyAmpleSheep · Today 17:54

Has anyone commented on this yet?
Walk away - or take your clothes off. Those are your options!

I did comment on Twatter, but for some inexplicable reason, I now get the following message@:

@PompeySteph has blocked you

Daily Mail Sad Face™

LunaShip · Today 18:08

Obanotters · Today 17:02

i see we have reached the ‘people have been drunk driving for years so I am not going to stop drinking and driving’ point of the debate…

And that's what it boils down to. Despite it making no sense because know damned well if a male is there, what they are saying is;

'males have got away with violating women's rights and spaces for decades, so let them continue violating those spaces and breaking the law.'

That, is really not an argument I'd want to run with, if I were them...

Ereshkigalangcleg · Today 19:03

MyAmpleSheep · Today 17:54

Has anyone commented on this yet?

Walk away - or take your clothes off. Those are your options!

🤣 to be fair people would run away

Wishesandhorses · Today 19:16

Possibly a social story would help.

'Can I be arrested for entering a women's single space, knowing very well I have no right to be there, it is harassing women who are in there, and it is excluding and distressing women who cannot use mixed sex spaces?'

No.

You can however be asked to leave, and likely will be.
You may be banned from the space by the space owners.
You may be refused service by the service providers (and banned.)
You may find yourself facing police who will 'have a word' about your having no right to be there, and causing alarm and harassment. Rather like trespass.
If you're a 'frequent flier' in this way in your area and get well known to the police I suppsose they may get tired of having a word and escalate it.
You may be arrested if you choose to kick off when asked to leave, or refuse to leave.
You almost certainly will be arrested if you lose your marbles and take your clothes off upon being asked to leave as in that rather strange survey, and I'd think after the police have wrapped you in a blanket and removed you, they may well be considering whether you need some mental health support.

CassOle · Today 19:41

Mmmnotsure · Today 17:03

The Gisèle Pelicot defence - thank you, that is useful shorthand.

Surely, the 'if women don't know, it doesn't hurt them' is the Dominique Pelicot defence. That appeared to be his line of thinking anyway.

Obanotters · Today 19:51

Wishesandhorses · Today 19:16

Possibly a social story would help.

'Can I be arrested for entering a women's single space, knowing very well I have no right to be there, it is harassing women who are in there, and it is excluding and distressing women who cannot use mixed sex spaces?'

No.

You can however be asked to leave, and likely will be.
You may be banned from the space by the space owners.
You may be refused service by the service providers (and banned.)
You may find yourself facing police who will 'have a word' about your having no right to be there, and causing alarm and harassment. Rather like trespass.
If you're a 'frequent flier' in this way in your area and get well known to the police I suppsose they may get tired of having a word and escalate it.
You may be arrested if you choose to kick off when asked to leave, or refuse to leave.
You almost certainly will be arrested if you lose your marbles and take your clothes off upon being asked to leave as in that rather strange survey, and I'd think after the police have wrapped you in a blanket and removed you, they may well be considering whether you need some mental health support.

Edited

If a man entered a female changing room then yes he could be arrested for voyeurism of exposure or a public order offence.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 19:59

MyAmpleSheep · Today 17:54

Has anyone commented on this yet?

Walk away - or take your clothes off. Those are your options!

A man taking his clothes off in the ladies, must be an imprisonable offence 😂

Mmmnotsure · Today 21:29

CassOle · Today 19:41

Surely, the 'if women don't know, it doesn't hurt them' is the Dominique Pelicot defence. That appeared to be his line of thinking anyway.

Fair, but Gisele is the recognisable name so perhaps the Gisele Pelicot Case defence.

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