EHRC code on single sex spaces comes into force on 5th August 2026

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https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2026/788/pdfs/uksi_20260788_en.pdf

I see we’ve also had the ‘is this really the most important thing?’ which seems to come up a lot at the moment. I expect there’s a list somewhere.

Listening to any number of male people telling us how they feel they are really a woman proves only that they believe that. I'm sure a good many of them quite sincerely do. But it doesn't prove that they actually are a woman.

In fact it is all entirely meaningless unless we can define what a "woman" is. Because unless we know that, none of us - and that includes you and me - can know whether we are one or not. This is not just about transgender people.

So are you a woman or not, and how do you know one way or the other?
I'm not expecting you to tell me which you are, if you're not comfortable with that, merely asking what criteria you use to distinguish women from men and to place yourself in one category or the other (or in neither).

Single sex spaces are justified and designed around being for one sex only.

Therefore if men are allowed in women's spaces, its not longer fit for purpose and doesn't perform as a single sex space.

If people want to design spaces around gender - for female people and men who want to be women, they need to justify why and design the space in a way they keep it safe for everyone. Thats not pretending that men arent using the space, or that the men arent actually men.

Good luck.

And this is one of the reasons women need male-free facilities.
Because of men who threaten violence because women say no to them.

If single sex toilets dont reduce the risk of male violence, then TW dont want to use the ladies to reduce their risk of male violence.

So they want to use women toilets just to be near women and girls?

This.
It's not up to women to make boundary-violating men feel comfortable.
The answer is no. Move on.

In which case it is men who need to change their behaviour. Men who need to learn to accept other men who present differently or have different beliefs to themselves. It is not women’s job to provide cover or comfort or whatever to men who fear other men.

Look.

The one thing I know with 100% certainty that transwomen don't think is necessary to be a woman is a female body.

And that means that whatever this new and improved meaning of the word "woman" is that now also includes male people, it's not especially relevant any more to the needs and lived experiences of the people who do have female bodies.

We might overlap in the venn diagram, sure, but we overlap with various male bodied people in all sorts of ways (hobbies, jobs, clothes, politics, music, nationalities, race... pretty much anything other than the things directly determined by our bodies really). So "woman" just becomes another of the many things an individual female person may or may not be, and may or may not have in common with male people.

So, I don't actually need to know what "being a woman" specifically is to trans women, because just by knowing what it is not I already know that the thing that I consider significant and important in the original definition of woman is excluded.

I already know that whatever it is it has to be mental rather than physical, so I already know that it falls under the old sexist ideas about some ways of thinking being inherently innate to and correct for "women" and other ways being inherently innate to and correct for "men".

And that means I don't need to know exactly what it is to nevetheless know that trying to replace the original female-specific version of "woman" with this new male-inclusive version makes it less relevant to the realities of female people and also to reduces the diversity of "women"'s minds into a sexiat subset of our true diversity.

Yeah, not signing up to be reduced to that thank you.

Genuinely interested
😂
(I would do it bigly but I don't know how)

I don't consider having a social identity of "someone with a female body who thinks like a trans woman" to be at all dignified thank you. I consider it to be as insulting and demeaning as being told to "make me a sandwich" or "get the coffess there's a good girl" or any of the other micro agressions that go with having a female body in a still often sexist culture.

As someone who does not identify as a "woman" in the sense that Genderists mean it, I do not consider it "dignified" that I have to share unclothed spaces or potentially be forced to accept intimate care from a person with whom I share neither sex nor gender simply because he thinks we do. I consider it marginalising, disempowering and misogynistic.

Why is my dignity and self determination of less value than his? Why do I have to be reduced to whatever it is a man thinks a woman is?

Amplifying this because it's worth repeating.

How come women's toilets don't do anything to keep bad men out when it's just women who want them, but magically do when it's transwomen who want them?

AI nonsense, it’s just so jarring and irritating, at least come up with your own nonsensical arguments about why men should be prioritised.

Transwomen are male. Women are female. We seperate facilities such as toilets and changing rooms by sex which is real and immutable. We do not seperate those facilities by gender or gender identity because there are far too many of those (is it still over 70?? 🤔) and so would be impractical and folks like me don’t have a gender identity.

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You surely have heard the phrase “good men stay out so bad men stand out”. It’s the social contract. We exclude ALL men from certain spaces.

And if bad men will not be deterred by a sign on the door then there is absolutely no reason that transwomen can’t use the male toilets….after all the men who want to harm them could just follow hem into the female loos.

They know that actually a lot of people don’t care about toilets but do care about prisons, changing rooms sports, intimate care, hospitals etc.

So toilets is the ‘issue’ that they hope will be conceded that will then open the door yet again to all those other areas.

They know that actually a lot of people don’t care about toilets but do care about prisons, changing rooms sports, intimate care, hospitals etc.

So toilets is the ‘issue’ that they hope will be conceded that will then open the door yet again to all those other areas.

Exactly, once the door is opened to one female only space the argument will be if they are women for that space then they are women for all other spaces and services - access all areas.

Cold hard fact is transwomen are not women, never have been and never will be and women only spaces, services and sports do not include them. If they don't want to access the spaces, services and sports that do include them, the ones for the males they are - tough, they can either campaign for additional provision or go without, their choice.

Exactly. We know the tactic by now so for me there can be no ground conceded.

I actually think that the idea of allowing transwomen to use female toilets but be excluded from female changing rooms, sports prisons etc is cruel. Why, yes Beryl, of course you can use the Ladies loo, where else could you possibly go….oh but no PC Beryl you cannot intimately search this prisoner because you are male/cannot join the ladies cricket team/cannot provide intimate care to this non verbal female patient etc etc

Much better to encourage everyone to remember that irrespective of mutable gender identities biological sex is real and is how we determine who can use certain spaces, facilities and opportunities. By all means if you believe in gender identity, fill yet boots, but don’t be fooled into thinking that sex is a nebulous dog whistle.

Transwomen are males with penis and testicles. Why do you think this male should be in changing rooms or battered womens shelters with women, little girls and rape survivors like me, just because he's wearing a dress?

No, it's to keep males out of female spaces. Why do you believe women, girls and rape and trauma survivors should have no place away from males? Why?

Can you tell me why?

If you genuinely want to understand why trans women describe themselves as women, the best people to ask are trans women themselves.

The problem is, we know far too much about what transwomen think a woman is.

Here's Andrea Long Chu for example. See also what men like Julia Serano, Grace Lavery and Paris Lees have said about being a woman.

If they want people to think they're really women, they're not doing themselves any favours.

If you genuinely want to understand why trans women describe themselves as women, the best people to ask are trans women themselves.

And when you do it always comes down to sex - the act of sex not reproductive category. Every time.

Yes. I forgot about Juno Dawson on my previous list.

"I just wanted to get f**d like a woman. That's what it's about. It's not about what hole it's going in"

All my life I thought I was a gay man – but according to Juno Dawson in Attitude today, I'm actually a trans woman | The Independent | The Independent

As many posters on these boards have pointed out hundreds of times:

It isn’t the space, whether a toilet, changing room, or a prison, that is the resource that these men want to use, it’s the WOMEN.

The WOMEN are the resource; without our presence it’s just a space, which is why they don’t want so called ‘gender neutral’ facilities.

Its always good to remind ourselves of bewilderness rules of misogyny.

1. Women are responsible for what men do.
2. Women saying no to men is a hate crime.
3. Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.
4. Women’s opinions are violence against men, thus male violence against women is justified.
5. Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.
6. Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breastfeeding babies deserve punishment.
7. Women should always be grateful to men for everything.
8. Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.
9. Men always know the “real reasons” for everything women do and say.

10. The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad. 11. Whatever women suffer from, it is worse when it happens to men. 12. Women’s ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry. 13. Angry women are crazy. Angry men have trouble expressing themselves. 14. Women have all the rights they need: The right to remain silent. 15. Men are the default human. Women are strange subhuman others. 16. Everyone owns and controls women’s bodies except the women themselves.

Transgenderism is the idea that men can become women. The justification to come to that conclusion, and how and when they achieve 'woman' covers nearly all of these rules.

For men to be women, the definition of women has to change from sex to something else.

For men to be entitled to use women's spaces, the purpose of these spaces needs to be redefined.

Its easy to say that it makes no difference for women to accommodate these men, but its not in practice. Everything has to change.

If you genuinely want to understand why trans women describe themselves as women, the best people to ask are trans women themselves.

If you genuinely want to understand why women say no, and need single sex spaces, the best people to ask are women themselves.

Lots of threads here explaining.

Hundreds of them.

Men's voices really don't matter more, unless you're into male supremacy.