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In which Amnesty jumps the shark

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WrongKindOfFeminist · 10/07/2026 12:11

A report on 'anti gender actors' from Amnesty appears to be a puzzling work of jumbled nonsense and overwrought fiction.

Either they completely fail to grasp what 'gender critical' means, or they are deliberately trying desperately to bundle it in with Xtian rightwing US organisations. Maybe both.

Trans activists have been accusing UK feminists of being rightwing Xtian US fundamentalist funded for years. Sometimes it's funny, more often it's just fucking tedious.

Anyway.

'An organised anti-rights movement targeting the rights of women and LGBT+ people is growing in the UK. Over 60% of the organisations mapped have emerged since 2017, the vast majority gender critical organisations'

What the everloving fuck do they think they mean, here?

Feminists 'target' the rights of women? In terms of - feminists have fought long and hard for the rights of women? Yes, well done, Amnesty.

Then they whang on a lot about abortion and well funded US rightwing organisations, including religious groups, etc.

And then ...

'In fact, gender critical organisations only account for 2.5% of total expenditure but have been remarkably successful in realising their agenda through strategic litigation and campaigning.'

Will you ever actually use your brains, Amnesty?

The list at the end should give them a wee clue. Dozens of feminist organisations, almost all listed as 'informal', yet lumped in bizarrely with massive US anti abortion groups.

Idiots.

www.amnesty.org.uk/knowledge-hub/all-resources/report-a-growing-threat-the-anti-rights-movement-in-the-uk-july-2026/

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lechiffre55 · 04/08/2026 17:12

@Ereshkigalangcleg
The mental gymnastics in that reddit thread you linked are insane.
e.g. the accusations of links with Christian extremists. Some rapture thing. Its all one giant conspiracy of everyone who won't bend the knee over there. What worries me the most is I think they truly believe what they are saying.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/08/2026 17:19

They do. It’s an immersive fantasy world and a genuine “echo chamber”.

UtopiaPlanitia · 04/08/2026 18:02

lechiffre55 · 04/08/2026 17:12

@Ereshkigalangcleg
The mental gymnastics in that reddit thread you linked are insane.
e.g. the accusations of links with Christian extremists. Some rapture thing. Its all one giant conspiracy of everyone who won't bend the knee over there. What worries me the most is I think they truly believe what they are saying.

Based on our ploppers’ posting style over the years, I don’t think that they actually do believe any of it.

I think they enjoy creating drama, attacking people they disagree with, and they love making false accusations/casting aspersions on other people’s good name.

In the book Galileo’s Middle Finger, it describes a group of TIMs trying to bring down researcher Michael Bailey because he wrote about/investigated autogynephilia. They reported him to authorities for molesting his kids, they went after his wife and her work, they complained of research misconduct to Bailey’s Uni, they posted disgusting lies about Bailey and his family online, they accused him of rape.

None of what they reported or posted about him was true, they just wanted to destroy him because he told the world the truth about them and other men like them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2026 00:44

UtopiaPlanitia · 04/08/2026 18:02

Based on our ploppers’ posting style over the years, I don’t think that they actually do believe any of it.

I think they enjoy creating drama, attacking people they disagree with, and they love making false accusations/casting aspersions on other people’s good name.

In the book Galileo’s Middle Finger, it describes a group of TIMs trying to bring down researcher Michael Bailey because he wrote about/investigated autogynephilia. They reported him to authorities for molesting his kids, they went after his wife and her work, they complained of research misconduct to Bailey’s Uni, they posted disgusting lies about Bailey and his family online, they accused him of rape.

None of what they reported or posted about him was true, they just wanted to destroy him because he told the world the truth about them and other men like them.

I agree the ones who come here to goad and stir don’t, but there are unstable and vulnerable people who “feel unsafe” who do.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/08/2026 00:45

One of those same TIMs you mention is making a database of all the Amnesty report orgs btw.

KTheGrey · 05/08/2026 10:24

lechiffre55 · 01/08/2026 13:51

Unfortunately you are correct. It's our money they use to pay out on stupid policies that conflict with the law. They do things against our interests with our money, and when they lose in a court of law we have to pay.

I really think the law needs changing here. The lawyers who work for public organisations should be held to a code of conduct where they follow set legal guidelines and observe the law irrespective of how they feel about the law. When they advise senior public sector management "what you are trying to do is against the law" at that point the management should become personally liable if they ignore the legal advice. Lose a court case? If there's a record of them ignoring the legal advice, any payment comes out of their own pockets. Sell their house to make the payout if necessary. Legal costs they become liable for those too on both sides.
It would take for that law to be enforced exactly once before all public sector senior management decided to be a lot less moronically creative in their decisions and follow the law. If the lawyer who advised didn't give the correct legal advice, they become liable too. Again the legal advice would be rock solid and follow the guidelines after a single instance occurred.

The police (in the US ) have a thing called "qualified immunity". They generally can't be held liable for doing their job, but that word qualified at the front means "as long as they are doing their job the proper way and following the guidelines". Some officers have lost that immunity and ended up in severe legal trouble because of that qualified word. It should be the same for management, qualified, ignore the guidelines and you are personally on the hook for any payouts.

I like the idea of “qualified immunity”.

The problem is indeed the gaps in the law/ policy. In the puberty blockers legal action, the moment you heard that the policy only requires that a medical study ‘might benefit somebody’ - apologies for the paraphrase - you knew that challenge on legal grounds was toast.

That is as loose as an elephant’s pyjama string, that could be used to justify - well anything, afaics. IANAL and I could have the wrong end of the stick because it seems unbelievable.

Anybody who can correct, please do.

N4meChng · 05/08/2026 11:14

KTheGrey · 05/08/2026 10:24

I like the idea of “qualified immunity”.

The problem is indeed the gaps in the law/ policy. In the puberty blockers legal action, the moment you heard that the policy only requires that a medical study ‘might benefit somebody’ - apologies for the paraphrase - you knew that challenge on legal grounds was toast.

That is as loose as an elephant’s pyjama string, that could be used to justify - well anything, afaics. IANAL and I could have the wrong end of the stick because it seems unbelievable.

Anybody who can correct, please do.

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Wouldn’t legal advice being privileged mean that this could never be proven?

editted: sorry - should have quoted @lechiffre55

KTheGrey · 05/08/2026 11:26

N4meChng · 05/08/2026 11:14

Wouldn’t legal advice being privileged mean that this could never be proven?

editted: sorry - should have quoted @lechiffre55

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Legal advice to organisations isn’t privileged, or shouldn’t be. Surely it advantages an organisation - take Amnesty, or NHS Fife, for example - to be able to evidence that it took legal advice before it did something that - er - fell short.

I have some vague recollection of the phrase “ignorance of the law is not an excuse”.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 05/08/2026 13:55

It certainly isn't in the case of ordinary citizens breaking a law through ignorance of its existence. It's a legal principle; it's even in Latin!

Everyone is assumed to know all laws relevant to them, and not having known you are not actually allowed to run in the street won't get you off if you ran and knocked someone over, as it were. I don't suppose you'd still be transported for "riotously demolishing a hovel", but if you got done for it, saying "Lord, lord, I didnae ken!" might get the answer "aye weel, ye ken noo" from the judge before he passed sentence.

I once went into the local cop shop (they were friends of mine in there, so they didn't mind) and asked them what the law was on some point or other I now forget. There were four officers on duty, and they gave four different replies.

Cismyfatarse · 13/08/2026 19:41

Amnesty claims against Sex Matters ‘no isolated error’

https://www.thetimes.com/article/55ef2edb-2612-4b2a-8184-5eff293d1e0a?shareToken=7537829c541781c7a2418d692e1d03bf

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2026 13:08

Cismyfatarse · 13/08/2026 19:41

“We remain deeply committed to defending the rights of women and girls, and to supporting the trans community in the UK as their rights, dignity, and safety come under sustained attack.”

still doing it!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2026 17:28

moto748e · 14/08/2026 17:22

SM are on the case though. They read the small print and have all the receipts! 😀And rightly so.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/publications/second-letter-to-amnesty-international-uk/

I would expect nothing less from them! Fantastic, clear letter.

moto748e · 14/08/2026 17:41

They are bloody brilliant, aren't they? In a world full of bullshit....

WrongKindOfFeminist · 14/08/2026 18:30

moto748e · 14/08/2026 17:22

SM are on the case though. They read the small print and have all the receipts! 😀And rightly so.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/publications/second-letter-to-amnesty-international-uk/

Fucken superb! Well done SM.

Worth remembering they took the side of men against women in the courts re Scotgov.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/08/2026 18:34

WrongKindOfFeminist · 14/08/2026 18:30

Fucken superb! Well done SM.

Worth remembering they took the side of men against women in the courts re Scotgov.

Yes and their response was led by a trans lawyer, so all the “no trans people got to have their say” is bollocks.

SinnerBoy · 14/08/2026 21:21

Sorry, but "riotously demolishing a hovel" made me laugh out loud!

KnottyAuty · 14/08/2026 22:51

Bumping past the visitor’s 2010 zombie threads…

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 15/08/2026 12:16

SinnerBoy · 14/08/2026 21:21

Sorry, but "riotously demolishing a hovel" made me laugh out loud!

At one time it was a genuine offence, punishable by life imprisonment, transportation or a £25 fine. I wanted to know a] how a hovel is defined, b] whether the Riot Act had to have been read and c] how can you tell if a hovel has been demolished....

No longer, just as no London cabby these days has to keep a net of hay in his cab for the horse. Though I knew a man who kept hay in the boot of his black cab, explained it to all American tourists as possibly still a legal requirement and he didn't want to take any risks, and thereby practically guaranteed a large tip.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 15/08/2026 19:40

moto748e · 14/08/2026 17:22

SM are on the case though. They read the small print and have all the receipts! 😀And rightly so.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/publications/second-letter-to-amnesty-international-uk/

Good letter! Nothing gets past them!

inkymoose · 16/08/2026 04:03

moto748e · 14/08/2026 17:22

SM are on the case though. They read the small print and have all the receipts! 😀And rightly so.

https://sex-matters.org/posts/publications/second-letter-to-amnesty-international-uk/

Superb letter. It makes sobering reading though, each clear and precise description of Amnesty's skewed and untenable position with regard to "qualified human rights" being only for those who have the correct opinions about gender woo.

viques · 16/08/2026 10:46

EmpressaurusKitty · 15/07/2026 18:20

I wonder how many of Amnesty’s older supporters know about it, if they’re not on social media?

Oh believe me, as a long time AI supporter ( used to run a local group) I and many other older supporters, have seen the writing on the wall change from a little pencil scribble to IMAX screen sized slogans.

For me it took a while but the message sank in that AI was no longer an organisation that I want to support with my time and with my money.

WrongKindOfFeminist · 01/09/2026 13:32

Reddit has turned against Amnesty.

https://archive.ph/BsgP2

'They are now issuing takedown notices on anyone sharing their transphobe anti rights groups research that Mould Queen threatened to sue for. This means they are no longer trustworthy as they have been captured by transphobe ideology.
RIP Amnesty.'

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 01/09/2026 13:41

Another example of not being orthodox enough, and therefore being unpersonned.