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TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · Today 10:02

IcedCoffee26 · Today 09:24

I can assure you that in comparison to the UK, Spain is anything but misogynistic.

The hand wringing over this is unbelievable. Lying? No. Using gender neutral terms isn't lying. "Erasing the mother" ? No - listing the mother using a gender neutral term. Calling people parents as opposed to mother and father.

But of course the UK has convinced it's people that they are The Best At Everything so it's a waste of time trying to discuss anything where we suggest that other countries might be doing something in a way you guys could learn from.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Your being disingenuous or blanking out anyone in Spain who doesn't see it your way, there are plenty of women in Spain who are objecting to this, they just been effectively silenced.

Women's Day in Spain: Trans row splits feminist movement

"8th March 2026 - Rival marches hit Madrid and Barcelona as trans row splits feminist movement on International Women’s Day

COMPETING marches have split Spain’s feminist movement for the second year running, with two separate demonstrations hitting both Madrid and Barcelona on International Women’s Day.
The divide — centred on whether trans women should be recognised within feminist spaces — saw opposing groups march simultaneously through both cities, each claiming to represent the true feminist cause."

and that's just one link, I'm sure there are plenty more that would dispute your assertion that "Spain is anything but misogynistic."

Or are you going to blame the UK for that as well.

callmeLoretta1 · Today 10:07

IcedCoffee26 · Today 09:24

I can assure you that in comparison to the UK, Spain is anything but misogynistic.

The hand wringing over this is unbelievable. Lying? No. Using gender neutral terms isn't lying. "Erasing the mother" ? No - listing the mother using a gender neutral term. Calling people parents as opposed to mother and father.

But of course the UK has convinced it's people that they are The Best At Everything so it's a waste of time trying to discuss anything where we suggest that other countries might be doing something in a way you guys could learn from.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

Using 'gender neutral' terms for mother is literally erasing mother.

It is hateful and misogynistic. The woman carries the child and risks; weight gain, back ache, high blood pressure, nosebleeds, constant nausea/vomiting, gestational diabetes,preeclampsia, pelvic inflammation etc plus risking her life in childbirth. The very, very LEAST she is owed is recognition of that on the certificate of the child she did all that for and gave birth to.

Wishesandhorses · Today 11:05

Not to mention, why there's an attempt to detach the word 'mother' from biological females.

It's to take from women and children to give emotional experiences of pleasure to men, experiences rooted in fiction. It's fundamentally and grossly misogynistic. Anyone supporting this needs to take a long, hard look at themselves.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Today 11:13

IcedCoffee26 · Today 09:24

I can assure you that in comparison to the UK, Spain is anything but misogynistic.

The hand wringing over this is unbelievable. Lying? No. Using gender neutral terms isn't lying. "Erasing the mother" ? No - listing the mother using a gender neutral term. Calling people parents as opposed to mother and father.

But of course the UK has convinced it's people that they are The Best At Everything so it's a waste of time trying to discuss anything where we suggest that other countries might be doing something in a way you guys could learn from.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

It may have escaped your notice but mother and father are ‘gender neutral’ words.

No one cares about about a mother’s self declared ‘gender’ (or lack thereof in the majority of cases). Mother is a specific legal term in the UK that denotes a primary relationship to the child and carries responsibilities.

Using ‘parent’ very much is erasing ‘mother’ - you’ve literally replaced mother with a word that has a different meaning.

The important thing to remember here is that none of that is for the benefit of the child. A child having its mother and father named is an extremely important thing and activists removing that are doing the children a disservice.

Spain allows violent men to get away with beating women as long as the man identifies as a woman so I think there is a lot of national misogyny involved.

CornishDaughteroftheDawn · Today 11:27

Wishesandhorses · Today 11:05

Not to mention, why there's an attempt to detach the word 'mother' from biological females.

It's to take from women and children to give emotional experiences of pleasure to men, experiences rooted in fiction. It's fundamentally and grossly misogynistic. Anyone supporting this needs to take a long, hard look at themselves.

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Exactly. No person advocating for this gives two hoots about the needs and rights of the child (or the mother). This is all about men.

stickygotstuck · Today 14:08

IcedCoffee26 · Yesterday 19:07

Well yes, some PP linked jurists did complain yes. But it has been in place now for 20 years so...

It has not been in place for 20 years and ordinary people, mothers especially, hace complained. I personally know several.

And the fact that jurists object should give ordinary people pause for thought.

I cannot comprehend this attitude. Whether denial of reality or willful ignorance. Just because you personally haven't thought about it critically (yet, hopefully) it does not mean the opinion doesn't exist.

IcedCoffee26 · Today 14:22

stickygotstuck · Today 14:08

It has not been in place for 20 years and ordinary people, mothers especially, hace complained. I personally know several.

And the fact that jurists object should give ordinary people pause for thought.

I cannot comprehend this attitude. Whether denial of reality or willful ignorance. Just because you personally haven't thought about it critically (yet, hopefully) it does not mean the opinion doesn't exist.

It was brought in originally in 2006 as is clear from the BOE. Of course Spain has issues with misogyny as does every country on earth. However I think if you look at our policies you will find there is rather a lot more being done about it here than in the UK.

Also The Olive Press is hardly a serious news source for Spanish news. It is basically a magazine for expats. And that article mentions nothing about the use of gender neutral terms in birth certificates.

viques · Today 15:02

IcedCoffee26 · Yesterday 19:18

Well you could go the the Herculean effort of copying and pasting Article 4 into a translation tool, clearly Spanish legal communications aren't written in English so I sent you the most valid source of information.

And yes. Same sex parents are listed on birth certificates. In the case of lesbian couples, if they are married they automatically are both listed as parents. In the case that they are not then the mum who did not carry the pregnancy is listed as "progenitor no gestante".

In the case of couples where both partners are male, one must be the biological father and the one who is not biologically related adopts the child and is thus inscribed on the birth certificate. Filiacion is equal regardless of via biology or adoption.

So in the case of two male partners is it the case that the woman whose body gestated the child is legally erased forever ? Or is it like in the UK where she will be registered on the original birth certificate and the details changed when parental authority is assigned to the parents who will raise the child.

Pingponghavoc · Today 15:23

From the moment of birth a child will need someone to be responsible for them. The one person in the world with a guaranteed link to the baby is the mother. And also the one person who is always present.

In this context Mother means the person who gave birth and the person with automatic safeguarding responsibility for the baby.

If it isnt the mother who has that responsibility? Any other parent may not be present.

For the most part, the mother has to choose to give up PR. So the authories need to know who the mother is, and that she did agree to give up or share PR with someone who isnt her husband.

That's why 'mother' on the birth certificate is so important.

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