Trans man Freddy McConnell's challenge to be named as father on birth certificate deemed inadmissible by the ECHR

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https://www.matrixlaw.co.uk/news/challenge-to-registration-of-transgender-man-as-mother-declared-inadmissible/

I think you nailed it.

It almost seems like the pregnancy could have been a means to achieve the birth certificate. I would really hate to think that someone could be so determined to support an ideology that that could be the case.

12% uplift right now!

If my experience is anything to go by, it's at least a 45 year wait... So don't hold your breath.

McConnell clearly had children just to mess with their (kids') birth certs. They are a means to an end. Same as the poor not irish kid.

Cognitive dissonance in action

You have misunderstood.

The parents' dates and places of birth and nationalities and grandparents' names are on the birth certificate, obviously.

But instead of saying Father - John, Mother - Lucy they say Progenitor A - John, Progenitor B - Lucy. Or Progenitor A -John Progenitor B - Diego or Progenitor A - Maria Progenitor B - Lucy. So there is no issue for trans people or same sex partners.

Also Spanish kids have both parents' surnames, always.

Can you expand on this?

How does that help? It's not accurate to put both members of a same sex marriage down as the two progenitors. They can't be.

Hilarious line ‘the woman stored frozen sperm’ ….. 🤣 worlds gone mad! Does even say trans woman which would be the correct sentence instead of biological male which is also correct.

I have no doubt Freddy was similarly gaslighted and encouraged to entertain a delusion, and that being reminded of the biological truth must hurt.

I think it’s more likely Freddy was the one doing the gaslighting.

Although she doesn’t seem very bright. She had a mastectomy at 27 then claimed she had no idea that meant she wouldn’t be able to breastfeed after she gave birth.

This is the margin of appreciation. It’s narrow or wide depending on the impact on others human rights.

Recent case law says margin of appreciation is narrow where the state makes ‘transition’ dependent on surgical castration or sterilization. I agree with that.

But you can’t force states to allow trans people to do whatever they want because they want to. Wide margin of appreciation in many instances.

As if we needed further proof, but here’s yet more in support of this weird men’s rights movement

Agreed.

Excellent news all round.

https://www.boe.es/buscar/doc.php?id=BOE-A-2006-3764

There's the official communication from the BOE. See Article 4.

I'm just saying that we don't write gender based titles for the parents on birth certificates anymore. It changed years ago.

Used to say Padre - John, Madre - Lucy now says Progenitor A - John Progenitor B - Lucy.

Problem solved. Haven't noticed anyone giving a toss either.

You may not have noticed, but I assure you, people do give a toss. They find it insulting and have complained to the Civil Registry.

And is Progenitor A always the small-gamete person, and Progenitor B always the large-gamete person?

Because if a. that's correct, then it's always going to be possible to identify the trans parent(s), and b. if it's not, then that's going to make genealogical research a whole lot more difficult.

Linking to a Spanish document isn't vastly helpful to me!
The certificate might be labelled progenitor A and B, but what are the guidelines for whose names can go on the birth certificate - are they saying it doesn't have to be the actual birth parents of the baby?
You've suggested not, by saying it helps same sex parents

In Scotland, the certificate says "mother", and "father or parent" (well it does now) which I think is a better way to allow for lesbian couples to register the birth together.
editing to add it's a different process for male same sex couples

A mother has automatic parental responsibility for her child.

Without this, there would be no one with PR for the child until a birth certificate is issued.

'Progenitor' is an absolutely awful term.

It always reminds me of the Duchess of Plaza Toro's song in The Gondoliers.

I can't believe that. McConnell had to come off testosterone whilst trying to get pregnant and then whilst being pregnant the first time. And also becoming pregnant in the first instance was not that easy or without much effort, as far as I can recall.

Thanks for the link, it sounds like the ECHR has decided it's up to the UK to decide on these things, and the ECHR doesn't have the power to instruct them otherwise. Which means anyone else who's trying to circumvent the legal rulings of the UK isn't going to have any luck with the ECHR. Good 😁

Exactly. Thanks are due to Freddy for effectively putting the theory that the ECHR would have anything to say about the SC judgment and UK law on the matters to bed.