Mixed sex changing rooms in a Brighton secondary school - part 3 - we're really cooking now

[SingleSexSpacesInSchools]

Hello friends.

I'll let the press do the talking...

https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-school-court-changing-rooms

I’m really hoping that this is the year @SingleSexSpacesInSchools wins. He has the law of the land, the Supreme Court, the DoE and Mumsnet on his side. The school has Brighton Coucil and the GLP. I would say it’s not a fair fight but frankly I want them defeated so soundly that every other head teacher in the country rushes to correct any issues in their own schools.

" I can look at my notes and tell you why if you want" - yes please - what you can - within your own pressures and constraints - as I can pass it direct on to the legal team looking at this. Huge thanks but you're also not obliged!

Yes they’re doubling down and they don’t give a shit about the safety and dignity of girls and boys.

Someone should sue the arse off the actual people who are signing this off. Make individuals responsible. That will focus a few minds!

Make individuals responsible. That will focus a few minds!

indeed. And if they don't get to sue them, then they should name and shame them

Those toilets sound an utter nightmare, is this era of mobile phones.

These toilets sound perfect for bullying, upskirting, voyerism, sexual harassment, period shaming and rape. I would be amazed if girls want to use them.

@MarieDeGournay

"And is it only me who hears the William Tell Overture whenever KTS is invoked and unfailingly appears, wielding Facts?😁"

You are not the only one! 😂

The school are being beyond pig headed, which is no surprise. They seem to exist in an inescapable, air-tight echo chamber where other sounds or ideas can't penetrate.

OP, best wishes to you, and to your daughter for year 11.

Just posted this on your other thread.

This was just shared, and must be read by all members of staff in the 38 schools in my Trust.

It was sent by our DSL

I can attempt to download and send it via a message, if helpful to anyone?

Good to see a Trust taking this seriously. Can't read all the text but what I can looks accurate.

In technical terms ‘facilities’ means the washbasins too.

The poster is indicating washbasins are to be private from the opposite sexes. Which should be by sight and sound. This of course is in line with ADT and BS6465. Which is good.

Isn’t it amazing that no one (except me) has analysed what happens to safety when you change design from semi private single sex cubicles (in a washroom private to that sex), to private self-contained toilet provision open to both sexes?

Adding any expensive, individual self-contained ‘lockable’ private units, open to both sexes, is going to bring a whole new level of safeguarding nightmare. For the same reasons radar keys were introduced years ago. I know what’s going to happen which is so frustrating. All I can hope is that there are as few as possible and most schools advertise the unisex option (which has traditionally been designed to be opposite reception so staff can keep a real-time eye on who/how many are going in).

Sorry to hijack your thread. Our new department fit out has 3 fully enclosed toilets but has shared sink facilities. Is this acceptable?
Also our girls toilets are all fully enclosed on a corridor but washing facilities are basically on the corridor.

Good luck in your school, the new guidelines are clear.

Thank you

I am absolutely sure they are not - and thank you!

The cost of these changes is going to be my next move against all the local schools, not to mention the danger

Very good to see! Yes if you can get any HD screenshots or originals please please do!!

Dear God, enclosed toilets with no sink, forcing women and girls to leave the cubicle with unwashed, possibly bloody hands and clean themselves in full view of anyone? It’s unbelievable.
I’m well past normal menopause age but have a current condition that means I’m bleeding (am being well looked after, expecting resolution soon) rather like a normal heavy but prolonged period. Amazingly, I had “forgotten” about the pain, mess, indignity and expense of menstruation, rather in the way that one “forgets” childbirth. It’s horrendous.
If I were a girl forced to use such toilets my reaction would be very straightforward. I wouldn’t go to school when on my period. I might not even go at all.

You wouldn’t be the only one. Girls do miss school because they don’t want to use shared facilities including visible to the corridor sinks when on their period.

Its well known in this country and other countries.

I read stuff like this and I can't believe my eyes. How the hell have some fools decided this is an appropriate thing to put young girls through? And female teachers say nothing?

I was at a girls' school and periods were embarrassing enough, especially at the beginning. I can't imagine having to do all this without privacy from boys.

Yes. And the Op's daughter's school demands that girls mustv also undress in front of chosen boys.

I hope OP, that when you get the Head / govs in front of a judge, they're asked whether this compelled undressing applies to any male PE staff who claim to be women as well? Presumably there's no difference in expecting a girl to undress in front of a teenage boy or a man if they both claim to be women??

I have not heard of any schools so far who are complying who were not before - literally none

They all need their feet held to the fire or they are doing absolutely nothing - or in my schools case, making it worse

Higher resolution, I hope

And part 2

4MB total file...

That looks like a very clear set of instructions. I wonder if Sex Matters have got/would like a copy as an example of good practice?

Am happy to send it to them, any ideas where to should head to?