Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

JKR Didn’t Have an Opinion. She Poisoned the Well

1000 replies

CSIRCP · 28/08/2025 14:32

This post will likely be a little too long for most, but if you can spare the time and have a cuppa handy let's sit down and have a chat, shall we?

Firstly, let’s stop calling this a debate. It’s not. This isn’t two sets of ideas clashing. This is one woman’s fear and confusion being weaponized against an entire community.

What J.K. Rowling has done is not just share an opinion. She’s poisoned the well. And that poison is spreading through politics, education, the media, and even the courts.

At the beginning, it might have looked like a tweet. Then a blog. But what she wrote in that essay was revealing: “If I’d been born thirty years later, I too might have tried to transition. The allure of escaping womanhood would have been huge.”
That’s not neutral. That’s projection. It was a confession, repackaged as concern. She projected her own dysphoria and personal battles onto the entire trans community and used it as the foundation for a movement built on suspicion and fear.

She said she cared about women’s rights. Then aligned herself with those who believe all trans women are predators.
She liked racist and Islamophobic tweets. She repeated antisemitic tropes. She cast activists as violent men in dresses. She accused anyone who challenged her of misogyny while branding herself the face of feminism.
All the while she built up a devoted audience that now includes some of the most extreme anti-trans voices in Britain and beyond.

This “gender critical” movement is not about safety, and it’s certainly not about truth. It’s about control.
Kellie-Jay Keen-Minshull (Posie Parker), one of Rowling’s ideological allies, has welcomed neo-Nazis to her rallies. Actual Nazis. The kind of people Rowling once wrote villains about.
In one case, people connected to this movement were linked to the satanic terror group 764 — a group that has influenced teen suicides and violent attacks in UK schools. Let that sink in. This is who she’s empowering.

She didn’t just turn away when that started. She doubled down. She gave this movement a gloss of legitimacy. She used her fame to funnel people toward disinformation, fear, and cruelty—and dressed it all up as feminism. But it isn’t feminism when it excludes, vilifies, and harms other women. Especially trans women. Especially intersex people. Especially anyone who doesn’t fit into the narrow fantasy of who is acceptable.

Rowling’s language now echoes in government documents. Her phrases like “gender ideology” have been lifted from far right sources, including the Vatican and authoritarian regimes, and mainstreamed into British law. Her influence helped set the stage for the UK Supreme Court to redefine the word “woman” based on sex assigned at birth, stripping rights from trans and intersex people under the Equality Act. That’s what happens when the well is poisoned. People stop thinking. They start reacting.

Meanwhile, her cult chant her slogans as though they are scientific fact. But science says otherwise. Peer-reviewed studies show that trans people’s brain structures do not align with their sex assigned at birth. They show that gender identity forms in the womb, shaped by hormones and biology not ideology. Large-scale DNA studies have found gene variants linked to gender incongruence. And intersex people exist. That is biological fact. Not one of these truths can be erased by Rowling’s fiction.

What makes this so dangerous is how calm it all sounds. Rowling doesn’t scream. She whispers. She calls it “concern.” She says she’s “just asking questions.”
But it’s never neutral to question someone’s right to exist. It’s not a debate when one side is simply trying to live and the other is trying to strip away their legal recognition and healthcare.

This isn’t just a disagreement. This is a slow campaign of erasure, led by someone with a global platform and millions in the bank.

She’s not some deluded soul from MN; she’s a multi-millionaire author whose words shape global policy. She’s not being silenced. She’s being echoed by judges, by pundits, by politicians trying to climb the ladder by stepping on the backs of trans, non-binary, and intersex people.

And let’s not pretend it stops there. Her influence has allowed people to feel safe expressing open homophobia, biphobia, and hatred toward anyone who challenges gender norms. Some of the same people aligned with her have mocked survivors, denied racism, and claimed slavery was “fine” if it was “kind.”
This is not a group grounded in empathy. It’s a movement that thrives on exclusion and resentment. Some of them now openly identify as neo Nazis. That’s where we are.

So next time someone says “she’s just worried” or “she’s not anti-trans” or “can’t we just disagree,” consider these words. Show them what poison looks like. Not just hateful speech but the deliberate seeding of doubt, division, and cruelty, all wrapped in a soft voice and a smug smile. J.K. Rowling didn’t protect anyone. She infected people. And when she’s gone, her legacy won’t be literature it will be the damage she left behind.

You don’t need to cancel her. You just need to see her clearly.
And if you blindly follow Rowling and her ideas then you need to reflect on what you’re really endorsing.

Because ignorance is not an excuse. Not anymore.

OP posts:
Thread gallery
34
ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 28/08/2025 16:27

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:16

The majority 51% of Norwegian people have a positive attitude towards trans people with 30% ambivalent and 19% negative.

Trans hate from Gender Criticals like yourself has led to an increase in violence and abuse administers people unfortunately.

you do realise you are responsible for this as a hate group?

https://outrightinternational.org/our-work/europe-and-central-asia/norway

So contrary to your statement that the “vast majority” or Norwegians support this then?

It’s not hateful to say men can’t be women. It’s not hateful to refuse the budge up and let men into our hard fought for women’s spaces just because he affects a load of harmful stereotypes. A load of drama llama misogynists who can’t STAND women standing up to them can cry about “hate” all they want - doesn’t make it true, and I don’t accept it.

Personally my view is that the only thing hateful about this movement is how men expect to crash on in to to women’s spaces and demand to be accepted just because of some lady feelz. THAT is hateful - and perhaps the biggest example of male entitlement I’ve ever heard.

As an aside, if trans people ar evictions of violence, who are the perpetrators - men or women?? Why do we have to take responsibility for violence men perpetrate? And why is it up to women to do something about violence against men (transwomen)? Can’t men sort that one out?

Also, what’s a woman?

nutmeg7 · 28/08/2025 16:27

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:17

Yes it is just like the USA.

so you support the way things are going towards trans people in the USA under Trump and him having more control over the courts?

interesting viewpoint

Why don't you say what you mean?

"interesting viewpoint" is just a sort of weird innuendo, it doesn't say anything useful really, does it?

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:28

Are you feeling ok?

ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 28/08/2025 16:28

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:17

Yes it is just like the USA.

so you support the way things are going towards trans people in the USA under Trump and him having more control over the courts?

interesting viewpoint

Who are you talking to??

Do you understand we are not psychic? You need to use the quote function

NoWordForFluffy · 28/08/2025 16:30

ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 28/08/2025 16:28

Who are you talking to??

Do you understand we are not psychic? You need to use the quote function

I'm not sure we're dealing with an intelligent life form here, as the 'please use the quote function' requests aren't making it through!

MistyGreenAndBlue · 28/08/2025 16:31

ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 28/08/2025 16:18

We don’t know who you’re talking to. Do you understand that?

I think to @Sammybabes16 we are a hive mind so an answer to one is an answer to all.

ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 28/08/2025 16:31

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Can I ask why, despite the fact it’s so easy to and people are asking you to, you won’t use the quote button?

Do you think we know who you’re talking to?

Also, what is a woman?

nutmeg7 · 28/08/2025 16:32

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:25

YouGov is a publicly traded company, meaning its funding comes from investors who purchase shares on the stock market. It was co-founded by Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi.Shakespeare serves as the CEO, and the company has expanded through acquisitions of other market research businesses.

Maybe some research would help.

Even so the poll said most women agree people should be silent choose their own gender.

But why does the ownership invalidate their methodology?

Why did their poll not come up with the answer you would prefer?
What do you think? Do some actual thinking.

Did they ask the wrong people?
Did they throw away all the pro-trans answers?
Did they make the whole thing up?

What are you ACTUALLY saying they did in order to get the results you don't like?

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:32

That Depends on your viewpoint. Why this issue is more important than life itself to the GC cult is beyond me

Greyskybluesky · 28/08/2025 16:32

Well, the OP has played a blinder.

Write a tedious long-winded post and disappear. Let a useful idiot take over to keep the thread running.

ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 28/08/2025 16:34

nutmeg7 · 28/08/2025 16:32

But why does the ownership invalidate their methodology?

Why did their poll not come up with the answer you would prefer?
What do you think? Do some actual thinking.

Did they ask the wrong people?
Did they throw away all the pro-trans answers?
Did they make the whole thing up?

What are you ACTUALLY saying they did in order to get the results you don't like?

Well indeed, it seems @Sammybabes16 - who inexplicably lacks basic computer skills - if the YouGov poll had said most people support self ID he’d be shoving it down our throats as an example of how we are all old and wrong.

But he has taken a tantrum because it doesn’t align with his view and has decided to use “far right” as an insult to anyone he doesn’t agree with.

Forgetting that the most far right politician actually is on his side

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:34

Once again - if you think all polls are accurate , fair and non biased then you need to look into who undertakes the polls themselves snd who was asked.

Polls in the recent US elections and Brexit were very very wrong.

and even this poll states that most women support and individual identifying themselves as their chosen gender - which you continuously ignore .

no surprises there as it doesn’t suit your agenda

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:35

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

nutmeg7 · 28/08/2025 16:36

ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 28/08/2025 16:34

Well indeed, it seems @Sammybabes16 - who inexplicably lacks basic computer skills - if the YouGov poll had said most people support self ID he’d be shoving it down our throats as an example of how we are all old and wrong.

But he has taken a tantrum because it doesn’t align with his view and has decided to use “far right” as an insult to anyone he doesn’t agree with.

Forgetting that the most far right politician actually is on his side

Aha, I thought as much.

Greyskybluesky · 28/08/2025 16:36

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

I can only assume you still have your Norwegian keyboard switched on

SternJoyousBeev2 · 28/08/2025 16:36

Greyskybluesky · 28/08/2025 16:32

Well, the OP has played a blinder.

Write a tedious long-winded post and disappear. Let a useful idiot take over to keep the thread running.

No argument about him being an idiot but I will have to take issue with his usefulness.

Greyskybluesky · 28/08/2025 16:37

SternJoyousBeev2 · 28/08/2025 16:36

No argument about him being an idiot but I will have to take issue with his usefulness.

Heheh! 😂

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2025 16:37

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:34

Once again - if you think all polls are accurate , fair and non biased then you need to look into who undertakes the polls themselves snd who was asked.

Polls in the recent US elections and Brexit were very very wrong.

and even this poll states that most women support and individual identifying themselves as their chosen gender - which you continuously ignore .

no surprises there as it doesn’t suit your agenda

Ah, I see. Polls are biased. Course.

CassOle · 28/08/2025 16:37

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:38

You are obsessed with what is a woman,

Why is that more important than life itself?

your opinion of what a woman is differs to some others. I believe like millions of others that transwomen are women ( just like the majority of people in many western democracies do). You believe differently as do millions of others.

That’s fine

nutmeg7 · 28/08/2025 16:38

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

"calling a woke a 'he'"

???

Could you do some proof reading before you post, it would only take a second to remove the gibberish.

And, what does a transwoman have in common with adult females, that he doesn't have with adult males?

I am not understanding why you think adult female people should be in the same catgory for any purposes as a human adult male who believes he is female.

ImGoingUpstairsToTakeOffMyHat · 28/08/2025 16:39

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:34

Once again - if you think all polls are accurate , fair and non biased then you need to look into who undertakes the polls themselves snd who was asked.

Polls in the recent US elections and Brexit were very very wrong.

and even this poll states that most women support and individual identifying themselves as their chosen gender - which you continuously ignore .

no surprises there as it doesn’t suit your agenda

Presumably the poll YOU posted is fair and accurate though 🤣

How convenient that evidence shown to you is inaccurate, according to you.

no surprises there as it doesn’t suit your agenda

Oh the sweet sweet irony of this comment

and even this poll states that most women support and individual identifying themselves as their chosen gender

Actually it doesn’t state that. But really we can’t trust you to read properly given you can’t even use the quote function

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:39

Yes but dime animals are capable of changing sex and the biggest driver of this is hormones.

The same can be applied to humans

Merrymouse · 28/08/2025 16:39

Sammybabes16 · 28/08/2025 16:25

YouGov is a publicly traded company, meaning its funding comes from investors who purchase shares on the stock market. It was co-founded by Stephan Shakespeare and Nadhim Zahawi.Shakespeare serves as the CEO, and the company has expanded through acquisitions of other market research businesses.

Maybe some research would help.

Even so the poll said most women agree people should be silent choose their own gender.

I have no problem with anybody declaring a gender. I think it's sexist nonsense, but then I also don't believe in God. I am happy for people to believe an awful lot of things that I don't believe.

I just also think that women rely on specific rights that men don't, and that 'woman' needs to be clearly defined in legislation. It's not clear why you find it so upsetting that women should have rights.

It's almost as though you are a bit... right wing?

(And also the medical thing is very, very, important. Again, I really don't know what goes on in Norway).

SapphireSeptember · 28/08/2025 16:39

SionnachRuadh · 28/08/2025 15:59

Finland is the salty liquorice place. I don't know much about Norway except every Swede I've ever met loves to take the piss out of Norwegians. People think Sweden is a country with no sense of humour, but just get it started on the subject of Norway.

Finland has more metal bands per head than any other country in Europe, Sweden is where death metal comes from and Norway is known for, ahem, 'troooo Norwegian black metal!!!!' 😈 (or something.) 😁

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.