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Custody officer job withdrawn for GC beliefs - Gribbon (SP legal team) is his solicitor

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InterrobangsArePureBias · 02/08/2025 11:12

I wonder how many more of such actions will be launched. To adapt Jimmy Doyle’s phrase, “the spectacle of this nation’s [lanyard classes] enforcing moral auto-lobotomy as a condition of entry to [employment]”.

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as ‘she’ or ‘her’ has launched legal action against one of the UK’s largest security firms.
Army veteran David Toshack, 50, was dismissed by GEOAmey during a training course only days before taking up a role as a prison custody officer (PCO) at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court.
The father of three told a safeguarding workshop that he would not be comfortable using a transgender inmates’ preferred gender pronouns and expressed his belief that a man could not become a woman.
It sparked a horrified reaction from bosses at the firm, which employs thousands of justice workers across the UK, who said his views were against the law and company policy.

He said: ‘I’m just a normal, working class person who’s never been in trouble with the law before, not got a criminal record, lived a good life. I’ve been prepared to go and fight and die for my country, and then I have come back here and been told that there’s certain things you can’t think or can’t say.’

https://archive.is/bxjqC

Original story about David Toshack in Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

I was sacked for refusing to call trans prisoners 'she', says officer

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as 'she' or 'her' has launched legal action against one of the UK's largest security firms.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

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ickky · 29/01/2026 14:38

FROM TT

MM Everything flows from the gender on the form. It doesnt matter how many ppl u speak to
DT It cld be possible to have a colleague to fill it in. There is a possible workaround so not no workaround
MM So the whole rule book is rewritten cos of you. They'd need to be rewritten

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:39

OH NO, DT bringing in logic. 😂

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 14:40

MM So the whole rule book is rewritten cos of you

Hmmm... what does that remind me of? Oh, I know, the whole of society and the world bending over backwards for a handful of angry blokes in frocks!

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:40

FROM TT

MM Cos u dont believe
DT I'm not asking for any of that but asking to look at reasonable workarounds. It's possible and reasonable
MM Its a v stressful environment that's potentially abusive, self harm and violent and u want ppl to think of a workaround constantly

BettyBooper · 29/01/2026 14:40

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 14:40

MM So the whole rule book is rewritten cos of you

Hmmm... what does that remind me of? Oh, I know, the whole of society and the world bending over backwards for a handful of angry blokes in frocks!

Absolutely!

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:41

FROM TT

DT There's unlikely to be many of them though
MM U have no knowledge of the nos
DT It;s not unreasonable to imagine its not v many
MM This wasnt the job for you
Dt It;s a v suitable job for ex-military
MM But u werent prepared to follow the rule book

BettyBooper · 29/01/2026 14:41

DT is presenting as reasonable.

MM on the other hand....

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:41

He does seem a bit dramatic.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/01/2026 14:42

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:40

FROM TT

MM Cos u dont believe
DT I'm not asking for any of that but asking to look at reasonable workarounds. It's possible and reasonable
MM Its a v stressful environment that's potentially abusive, self harm and violent and u want ppl to think of a workaround constantly

DT should tell MM that me now identifies as female and that MM needs to use female pronouns for him. MM might find that trying to remember to call a man "she" is also stressful and difficult...

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:42

FROM TT

DT I was prepared to treat w respect
[sound glitch]
MM We've heard about yr shock. How did u feel in the days after
DT Pretty rubbish as never been sacked before
MM But u went about yr business. U werent medically unwell?
[sound glitchy]

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 14:42

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:41

He does seem a bit dramatic.

Like a true Believer or playing up for the paycheque?

AnSolas · 29/01/2026 14:42

MM - SH said that she returned to the room to hear comments like 'its about time that happened, he's been a nightmare the whole time
this is not the line of work for him'.

That is a rather massive trainer fail if it was true.

Their job is not just train but to weed out people who should not be there before they were let loose in the actual workplace and got someone hurt.

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:43

Paycheque, I would imagine.

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:44

FROM TT

MM Looking at p658 and the dates. On 4 Feb 2025..a month later y're joking on SM. On 8th Feb you post re NHS Fife case w laughter emojis. On ? Jan, 4 days after yr dismissal, u seem in pretty good form talking about censureship on SM. 3.5 wks later yr sarcastic re the Labour Party

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 14:45

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:43

Paycheque, I would imagine.

He's learned the script pretty well. Any minute now he's going to blame DT's misgendering for the suicides of dozens of imaginary TWs.

AnSolas · 29/01/2026 14:45

potpourree · 29/01/2026 12:15

Supposedly aggressive person being asked to leave the room and MM says if he wasn't doing anything wrong he shouldn't have left?!

Its a when did you stop hitting your wife question🤪

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:46

FROM TT

MM On 20th Jan u post again. Yr pretty active and yr normal self on SM. U weren't really that upset
DT I dont think that indicates how I felt about being sacked. Not giving any indic of how I felt
MM Yr emojis and sarcasm is consistent w yr style. And indicates that gen yr

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:47

FROM TT

mood was good and u were on positive form. Do u want to comment
DT I'm a pretty +ve person but it doesnt mean I wasnt upset
MM I'm a pretty resilient person. There's nothing wrong w being ?
DT Ont ehday I was shocked, humilaited and embarressed
MM But u bounced back
DT Yeah

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/01/2026 14:49

Even if he was ecstatic about his dismissal doesn't mean that it want discrimination...

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 14:49

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/01/2026 14:49

Even if he was ecstatic about his dismissal doesn't mean that it want discrimination...

Hurty feelings warrant more compensation though

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:50

FROM TT

MM U were with Sky for 20 yrs, why did u leave
DT [missed] re after being on leave and loving being on tour
MM U did the FT training roles in the Army
DT F/t reserve
MM Pay
DT I was a corporal so £32-33K a yr.

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:51

FROM TT

MM What skills did u learn in those 2 decades
DT Completion skills
MM Not much info as y've not given much eg team leader
DT That was sold a certain way and I wanted the early shift.
MM Was it a call centre?
DT No. [missed]

AnSolas · 29/01/2026 14:52

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 12:21

Again, what language should be used for NBs if non-gendered language takes too long?

I can’t keep up. On one hand we are being told me must use non gendered language and now the R/s are acting as if doing so would be breaking the law.

Shusssh dont be logical

On a legal note

NB has been ruled on by the SC.

And rejected

It falls outside the EA10 (and GRA) as it fail to meet the "proscess to been seen as the other sex" test so the individual is not undergoing a protected process

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:52

FROM TT

MM On p515, we see 28 Feb applic to Fife. Was this yr first applic
DT I think so. The army one might not be there and I think was earlier
MM Seasonable operative?
DT It's a country park job eg cutting grass there
MM On p596, we see - it's taken u 2 mnths to apply for something

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 14:53

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:44

FROM TT

MM Looking at p658 and the dates. On 4 Feb 2025..a month later y're joking on SM. On 8th Feb you post re NHS Fife case w laughter emojis. On ? Jan, 4 days after yr dismissal, u seem in pretty good form talking about censureship on SM. 3.5 wks later yr sarcastic re the Labour Party

So because he hadn’t taken to his bed with a chronic case of the vapours it means he was not adversely affected by being sacked? What an idiotic argument to make.

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