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Custody officer job withdrawn for GC beliefs - Gribbon (SP legal team) is his solicitor

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InterrobangsArePureBias · 02/08/2025 11:12

I wonder how many more of such actions will be launched. To adapt Jimmy Doyle’s phrase, “the spectacle of this nation’s [lanyard classes] enforcing moral auto-lobotomy as a condition of entry to [employment]”.

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as ‘she’ or ‘her’ has launched legal action against one of the UK’s largest security firms.
Army veteran David Toshack, 50, was dismissed by GEOAmey during a training course only days before taking up a role as a prison custody officer (PCO) at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court.
The father of three told a safeguarding workshop that he would not be comfortable using a transgender inmates’ preferred gender pronouns and expressed his belief that a man could not become a woman.
It sparked a horrified reaction from bosses at the firm, which employs thousands of justice workers across the UK, who said his views were against the law and company policy.

He said: ‘I’m just a normal, working class person who’s never been in trouble with the law before, not got a criminal record, lived a good life. I’ve been prepared to go and fight and die for my country, and then I have come back here and been told that there’s certain things you can’t think or can’t say.’

https://archive.is/bxjqC

Original story about David Toshack in Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

I was sacked for refusing to call trans prisoners 'she', says officer

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as 'she' or 'her' has launched legal action against one of the UK's largest security firms.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

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ickky · 29/01/2026 14:54

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 14:53

So because he hadn’t taken to his bed with a chronic case of the vapours it means he was not adversely affected by being sacked? What an idiotic argument to make.

Yes and as we know the face you present on social media is often very different to reality.

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 14:54

AnSolas · 29/01/2026 14:52

Shusssh dont be logical

On a legal note

NB has been ruled on by the SC.

And rejected

It falls outside the EA10 (and GRA) as it fail to meet the "proscess to been seen as the other sex" test so the individual is not undergoing a protected process

But, but, but…..what about respect? Or does that only work for the menfolk?

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:55

FROM TT

MM Then another applic 2 months later. what did this one involve
DT [missed]
MM 14 days later an applic for a roadworker
DT Digging, putting cones out
MM So 3 jobs in 4 months? All w the council and ? experience
DT I have got experience as worked on building sites before. U didnt necess need experience. And I was w Army for 2 weeks in March

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:56

FROM TT

[missed]
MM 3 jobs doesnt qualify for applying.
DT Theres no tmany jobs out there suitable that I can apply for
MM yr a telephony professional and a trainer. But u havent applied for these kind of jobs
DT I dont want to go backwards. I live working w my hands and outdoors

SternJoyousBeev2 · 29/01/2026 14:56

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:51

FROM TT

MM What skills did u learn in those 2 decades
DT Completion skills
MM Not much info as y've not given much eg team leader
DT That was sold a certain way and I wanted the early shift.
MM Was it a call centre?
DT No. [missed]

I thought he said “communication skills”. Is TT struggling with his accent?

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:57

He did say communication

ickky · 29/01/2026 14:58

FROM TT

DT I like working in teams so I didnt have to be on my own
MM On p599, a notif re jobs being filled. What was attached?
DT [missed - sound ] It was too far away. I was disappointed by the Cromby one as v close to my house.
MM What was the pay
DT Prob about the same
MM Which location was

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:00

FROM TT

over an hour away?
DT [lists jobs] I wasnt keen on travelling over the bridge
MM Is yr mortgage paid off
J I think it's being suggested that u dont need to work and havent tried v hard
DT My wife works 2 night shifts a wk so not an awful lot of money

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:02

FROM TT

[cant hear]
MM Are u looking for 40 hrs
DT I wanted to build it up
MM Are u confident y'll get more jobs and earn more
DT Yes
MM £12-15K
DT If I can get 3-4 days a week that'd be good
MM Y've been at it since April, so 6 months. Do u enjoy the work currently
DT I', happy doing what I'm doing

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 29/01/2026 15:02

Bloody hell, it's all a bit 'plebs know your place' what the ever living fuck does his income / mortgage / wife have to do with whether or not he's been discriminated against for the pc of belief?

Is justice only available to the right social class? I think the answer to that is a resounding yes.

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:02

MM finished, now re exam by DH

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 15:03

I am very sorry, everyone, but I am not going to be able to paste any more.

It has been really draining for me and I don’t have the capacity to continue with it. I need to step back and focus on more manageable things right now.

HamSandwichIrnBru · 29/01/2026 15:03

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 29/01/2026 15:02

Bloody hell, it's all a bit 'plebs know your place' what the ever living fuck does his income / mortgage / wife have to do with whether or not he's been discriminated against for the pc of belief?

Is justice only available to the right social class? I think the answer to that is a resounding yes.

Edited

I know!! Oh, we think you have enough money, so you're not getting any compensation from us. WTF?!

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:04

@MyrtleLion Don't worry, I will finish today and maybe someone else can do tomorrow.

Hope you feel better. Flowers

MyAmpleSheep · 29/01/2026 15:04

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 15:03

I am very sorry, everyone, but I am not going to be able to paste any more.

It has been really draining for me and I don’t have the capacity to continue with it. I need to step back and focus on more manageable things right now.

Many thanks for the stirling work so far. And don't feel you need to give a reason to stop.

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:05

FROM TT

DH Thank you DT. I'm going to ask u some Qs. There was a Q re the potential no of T prisoners and the SPS doc on p98. A policy summary so it might be slightly different. On p99 is the SPS document. On the preceeding page we have a doc saying policy summary

weegielass · 29/01/2026 15:05

The respondents lawyer is a right prick, isn't he?

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:06

FROM TT

DH This talks about the proportion of prisoners who are trans. Were u provided to SPS policy docs during yr ITC? Were you given them or seen any
DT [missed - sound]
DH You were taken to yr appeal doc at p579, and asked Qs about the contents. U were asked reference to workarounds

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 15:06

Thank you all. I probably shouldn't have started it as I noticed I had stopped following the threads on Darlington nurses and Sandie Peggie. I've got a lot on right now, so I appreciate your understanding ♥️

BettyBooper · 29/01/2026 15:07

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 15:03

I am very sorry, everyone, but I am not going to be able to paste any more.

It has been really draining for me and I don’t have the capacity to continue with it. I need to step back and focus on more manageable things right now.

I hope you're feeling better soon @MyrtleLion . Thank you for all you've done so far 💐

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:08

FROM TT

DH and you said you dont know. On p580, these paras [read re GN pronouns and equal treatment] Was this yr workaround u had in mind?
DT In para 3. Yes, I could use gender neutral language and their name
DH You were asked Qs re content of notes of 7 Jan meeting last yr starting p572.

I'llBuyThatForADollar · 29/01/2026 15:08

Thanks so much @MyrtleLion . Amazing job. Take a well earned rest.

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:09

MyrtleLion · 29/01/2026 15:06

Thank you all. I probably shouldn't have started it as I noticed I had stopped following the threads on Darlington nurses and Sandie Peggie. I've got a lot on right now, so I appreciate your understanding ♥️

I haven't got a lot on and find it difficult to follow while C&P ing. 😂

You're a better woman than me. 😀

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:11

FROM TT

DH Both the content and what might not be there. Now y've looked at the docs. If you'd had an opportunity at the meeting to offer comment on these notes wld u have raised some things?
DT ??
DH Re yr beliefs and views of T people, u had Qs about yr steps to inform yr beliefs/ research. What have u informed yr position for yrself
DT Watched the news. Listened to Profs on YTube. Well respected authors on YTube.

ickky · 29/01/2026 15:13

FROM TT

DH As well as reading books u were asked about research on these issues.
DT I would relook at videos and then do further research online. I trusted these professors and authors.
J I have no Qs for you. What about SW coming
DH He wasnt working but cldnt come today

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