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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Scottish Greens being sexist again

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fromorbit · 12/04/2025 11:38

With Sparkles no longer a member other male Scottish Greens have had to step up to continue their terrible reputation. They are doing their bit.

Scottish Greens council candidate claimed JK Rowling was a Holocaust denier and said trans rapist Isla Bryson was a woman
Exclusive: Eryn Browning has been chosen by the Scottish Greens to contest a by-election in Clydebank Waterfront but offensive historic posts have resurfaced.
https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-greens-council-candidate-claimed-35039831?int_source=nba

There is hope the Scottish Greens might plunge into civil war after their conference. Patrick Harvie is standing down as leader but Slater is standing again and there is opposition over her elitist behaviour.
https://archive.is/ESYZg

Scottish Greens council candidate claimed JK Rowling was a Holocaust denier

Exclusive: Eryn Browning has been chosen by the Scottish Greens to contest a by-election in Clydebank Waterfront but offensive historic posts have resurfaced.

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-greens-council-candidate-claimed-35039831?int_source=nba

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RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/05/2026 12:48

Turtlesgottaturtle · 20/05/2026 12:19

Wood burners are harmful to the health of both owners and neighbours, in villages, towns and cities. Try driving through any Scottish village on a winter evening with your car window open and you'll be breathing in smoke. They cause a long list of very serious health problems. And if people have them as "back-ups" they will use them even when a back-up isn't needed. There's plenty of strong research on this, and it's recognised as a problem internationally. In the UK, wood burners cause more small particulate emissions than all of road transport. Those small emissions are the most dangerous kind.
Find someone who denies this and you've found yourself someone who has spent money on a wood burner, loves sitting in front of their wood burner and has maybe exposed their children to it - they're in denial.

And properties with no neighbours anywhere near? Testing levels in a real house and levels outside makes sense. I note that currently within a property a CO monitor is mandatory but not a particle sensor. I have stayed in a house where solid fuel is the only realistic heating option. The blanket ban is authoritarian.

Hoardasurass · 20/05/2026 12:51

Turtlesgottaturtle · 20/05/2026 12:19

Wood burners are harmful to the health of both owners and neighbours, in villages, towns and cities. Try driving through any Scottish village on a winter evening with your car window open and you'll be breathing in smoke. They cause a long list of very serious health problems. And if people have them as "back-ups" they will use them even when a back-up isn't needed. There's plenty of strong research on this, and it's recognised as a problem internationally. In the UK, wood burners cause more small particulate emissions than all of road transport. Those small emissions are the most dangerous kind.
Find someone who denies this and you've found yourself someone who has spent money on a wood burner, loves sitting in front of their wood burner and has maybe exposed their children to it - they're in denial.

Nobody drives through Scotland on a winters night with their window open (or atleast no sane person does)
Large sections of Scotland either have no access to mains gas or lose all power for weeks at a time everytime there's a bad storm so wood burners or coal fires are all they have to heat their homes, which is why the ban on gas boilers and wood burning stoves was scrapped, not dieing from hypothermia is more important than smoke free air

CompleteGinasaur · 20/05/2026 13:10

I stay regularly with friends on the Isle of Lewis. If they had to stop burning peat, which I'm pretty sure is horrific for particulate matter and all manner of phenols, not just in winter but a fairly large chunk of the rest of the year too, I'd be chatting to a couple of woman-shaped icicles the next time I went up. Traditional and romantic though, innit, from the point of view of Holyrood. Just absolutely bloody necessary if you live up there.

ArabellaScott · 20/05/2026 17:24

As ever, urban people have little idea what rural life is like.

TWETMIRF · 20/05/2026 18:28

Yep. Nothing will stop me using my fire, especially with oil prices as they are. Just wish I could still buy proper coal as this smokeless stuff is rubbish.

The Greens care far more that I use correct sex pronouns for trans people than that I have an open fire in my house.

CompleteGinasaur · 20/05/2026 18:43

TWETMIRF · 20/05/2026 18:28

Yep. Nothing will stop me using my fire, especially with oil prices as they are. Just wish I could still buy proper coal as this smokeless stuff is rubbish.

The Greens care far more that I use correct sex pronouns for trans people than that I have an open fire in my house.

Absolutely agree. But I really posted to say that I've noticed your username/acronym at intervals over the last few years and, well ok, maybe I wasn't trying that hard, but I could never work it out. Then a week or so ago it burst upon me like Saul on the road to Damascus. Feeling very, very stupid now...!

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/05/2026 19:15

Quelle surprise.

Scottish Greens being sexist again
SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 20/05/2026 19:20

I saw that story today too, @Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g - it comes as no surprise that the Greens are bending over backwards for MANnivannen, but an actual, real woman was discouraged from continuing with her candidacy.

They just love shooting themselves in the foot, don’t they!

TWETMIRF · 20/05/2026 21:19

CompleteGinasaur · 20/05/2026 18:43

Absolutely agree. But I really posted to say that I've noticed your username/acronym at intervals over the last few years and, well ok, maybe I wasn't trying that hard, but I could never work it out. Then a week or so ago it burst upon me like Saul on the road to Damascus. Feeling very, very stupid now...!

Ha ha. Just feels like a more accurate version. For those that haven't got it transwoman excluding transman including rad fem. I'm not a terf, I'm a twetmirf.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 20/05/2026 23:06

TWETMIRF · 20/05/2026 21:19

Ha ha. Just feels like a more accurate version. For those that haven't got it transwoman excluding transman including rad fem. I'm not a terf, I'm a twetmirf.

I'm a bit embarrassed that I've only just worked that out. I pride myself on understanding unfamiliar acronyms!

SinnerBoy · 21/05/2026 15:42

TWETMIRF · Yesterday 18:28

Nothing will stop me using my fire, especially with oil prices as they are. Just wish I could still buy proper coal as this smokeless stuff is rubbish.

I bank my wood burner down overnight with anthracite substitute. Stoveheat Premium, its usually still glowing when I get up.

SternJoyousBee · 21/05/2026 16:19

I bank my wood burner down overnight

oh its been years since I heard anyone talking about banking down a fire... 😥

INeedAPensieve · 21/05/2026 16:31

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 20/05/2026 19:15

Quelle surprise.

Of course they know what a real woman is. The Greens are deplorable. I hope she rescinds her membership to the Greens. Or, better still, sets up an actual Green party that A. Knows what a woman is and B. Is actually about the environment.

Lalgarh · 24/05/2026 10:40

The Lad knows how to build up his origins story

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https://archive.ph/FJ3bZ

A newly elected Scottish Green politician who claimed to be from a disadvantaged background in India in fact had a privileged upbringing, including attending an exclusive private school, it can be revealed.
Q Manivannan became a Holyrood MSP this month despite being on a student visa, meaning the politician may be forced to leave the country before the term ends.
Before being elected, Manivannan, who <a class="break-all" href="https://archive.ph/o/FJ3bZ/www.thetimes.com/uk/scotland/article/holyrood-presiding-officer-kenny-gibson-trans-pronouns-c6rfbq5dh" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">identifies as non-binary and uses the pronouns they/them, told party members that as a “queer Tamil immigrant” they would be a voice for the “working class and marginalised”.

Shortly before being elected MSP for Edinburgh & Lothians East, Manivannan also claimed “[I had] saved and worked and lied and begged” to get a PhD, from the University of St Andrews, while loved ones back home faced the “full force of digital, infrastructural, carceral, and affective violence in India”.
However, an investigation by The Sunday Times has found that Manivannan comes from an upper middle-class household in Chennai, one of India’s wealthiest, most cosmopolitan cities. Although the Scottish Greens want to ban private schooling, Manivannan attended both private high school and university, and went on to run a subsidiary of an Indian business that coaches the children of the super-rich to access the world’s elite institutions.

Manivannan claimed to have been descended from “courtesans, dancers, musicians, hunters, and prostitutes”, but the MSP’s family has in fact held professional, high-status roles for at least two generations.

The politician’s father, Manivannan Dasarathi, a tennis champion in his youth, has degrees in chemical engineering and business administration. His public profile says he has “43 years [of] industrial experience in government and private sectors in senior management positions”, including running his own advisory firm since 2004.
Manivannan’s paternal grandmother ran a medical clinic, the MSP revealed in a blog. Manivannan’s mother, Rajachitra Manivannan, has a successful career in academia and the family’s maternal grandmother was a trailblazing gynaecologist who built a hospital in the town of Tirupattur, according to an online interview with Q Manivannan’s sister. It is understood that their parents are now retired...

ArabellaScott · 24/05/2026 11:40

And Zack's dad the property.developer... the Greens do seem to come from privileged backgrounds but then rant about 'taxing the rich'. Much of their politics looks like sublimated tantrums at their parents.

Waitwhat23 · 24/05/2026 12:07

This is an interesting article about social class in the Scottish Parliament -

https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/is-social-class-holyroods-hidden-inequality-8634020

I'm sure many MSP's would self identify as working class but whether that is true is debatable. Q has tried to paint himself as such but it is clear that it is not the case.

ArabellaScott · 24/05/2026 12:17

Really interesting article, Waitwhat, thanks.

' Of Holyrood’s 129 MSPs, just one came from a working-class occupational background

“What we’ve seen grow up under devolution is a professional political class which I think is dominated, broadly, by people from professional and managerial backgrounds,” said Dr Ewan Gibbs, a historian and lecturer at the University of Glasgow.
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James Mitchell, professor of public policy at the University of Edinburgh, has described Holyrood as a “middle-class parliament for a middle-class electorate”.
“The policies that have been pursued have been much more for the interests of the middle-class, but always articulated as if they are progressive, and I think the term ‘progressive’ has lost its meeting in Scottish political parlance because of that,” he said.
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The people whose voices have been heard least are working-class women, he argued'

SionnachRuadh · 24/05/2026 12:17

I'm going to assume in the case of Q that "I'm descended from a long line of oppressed outlaws" will impress Scots who know little of India.

Actual Indians might be more sceptical of a scion of the Chennai professional class giving an account of his origins that make him sound as if he came from some backwater village in Bihar.

Lalgarh · 24/05/2026 12:29

I'm expecting him to retort to any questions on this with some sort of CLAP BACK about Lord Dalhousie and Scottish Imperialisms ravaging of India

SionnachRuadh · 24/05/2026 12:55

I mean there's probably a thesis to be written about African strongmen who had an affinity for Scotland - Idi Amin, Julius Nyerere, Hastings Banda...

I have less evidence for Scotland being a big player in the colonial oppression of Tamil Nadu. I have in my head that Highland regiments were often stationed on the North West Frontier (admittedly I might be influenced by that seminal text Carry On Up The Khyber)

fromorbit · 24/05/2026 13:59

SionnachRuadh · 24/05/2026 12:55

I mean there's probably a thesis to be written about African strongmen who had an affinity for Scotland - Idi Amin, Julius Nyerere, Hastings Banda...

I have less evidence for Scotland being a big player in the colonial oppression of Tamil Nadu. I have in my head that Highland regiments were often stationed on the North West Frontier (admittedly I might be influenced by that seminal text Carry On Up The Khyber)

Tamil Nadu is where the Madras regiment was raised in 1758, many Tamil recruits during the East India Company/British Empire and today. It was raised by an Englishman just back from killing Scots. More Tamils fought to create the Raj than Highlanders did I suspect over hundreds over years . The regiment was raised not that long after Culloden so lots of Highlanders were being oppressed by other Brits while lots of Tamils were getting paid to kill other Indians.

Tamil elites did very well out of the Empire over 300 years. They do very well today. The people who had a bad time then and now were the working class Indians and Brits who were told what to do by their "betters" and suffered as a result.

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Waitwhat23 · 24/05/2026 17:07

fromorbit · 24/05/2026 14:01

GREER TACTICS Scots Greens co-leader Ross Greer accused of ‘strong-arming’ council into flouting gender laws

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/16298670/ross-greer-accused-flouting-gender-laws/

How anyone could have given any sort of responsibility to that useless gobshite is beyond me.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 24/05/2026 18:40

fromorbit · 24/05/2026 14:01

GREER TACTICS Scots Greens co-leader Ross Greer accused of ‘strong-arming’ council into flouting gender laws

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/16298670/ross-greer-accused-flouting-gender-laws/

I love the council’s reply though. 🤭

Scottish Greens being sexist again