UCU being taken to tribunal over discrimination for 'gc' views

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/gender-critical-documentary-makers-take-ucu-tribunal

The filmmakers of 'Adult Human Female' are taking UCU to tribunal.

I'll try to find an archive copy.

The clerk came on and told us all

The clerk (I assume) popped up some time after 11 while many of us were waiting, just to tell us that.

I wonder whether something happened to cause a delay, or they just decided that staying up all night to write their submissions hadn't worked well enough? I'd love to hear more about how this works. I mean, I assume that at least some of it gets written in advance, i.e. they each have a story they hope to be able to tell if the witnesses say what they hope they'll say, but presumably they don't always, and there's also a game of guessing what your opponent is going to argue based on what you saw of it and counteracting it... It would be interesting to hear about how the process of constructing the final document really does work.

Thank you both for letting me know. It was good of the clerk to do that.

I have heard that barristers do end up working overnight, perhaps getting a brief at 5pm and needing to appear at 10am the next day in a court that’s not particularly local to them.

You’d hope they wouldn’t have to do that very often, but so much can rest in what they do, especially in a trial/tribunal that’s only a week long.

I wonder how long this final afternoon will go on.

Do we know if there's likely to be a decision (outcome) today, or whether it will be delivered later?

That is extremely hopeful!

At the very least while the government play the 'after you George after you Cecil' game with the EHRC, the whole damned issue can be regarded as too hot to handle.

When these places are afraid to take a side and harass/exclude women that's great, great news. Now let's have answers and provisions that work for all, including women wanting single sex provision, and robust responses to men whining that unless women are suffering they can't feel 'safe'.

I've been lurking and reading this tribunal thread, thanks to all for the updates.

I'm actually still reeling from the connection here; that Dr Upton's dad is this witness bloke's boss. Hardly means he will ever be objective is it? They really are in their own little bubble aren't they? Madness...

When you work in fields like say, coming into contact with the head offices of big charities, it begins to strike you how rather incestuous the system is. In essence it can appear that there's a relatively small group of people who all periodically swap roles and many move around within that same small circle. Friends. Relatives. Colleagues. And there's a noticable lack of diversity in terms of there being a group who all think alike and all agree with each other.

You might of course theorise on what happened to those with more diverse views voices and experiences.

Or on the idea so frequently mentioned of 'six people and their socks'.

Tis interesting stuff.

Will it likely be NC that gives her oral submission first? I have to go out at 4 so I’m really hoping to see her.

This is wonderful news!

Maybe Dr U's da and Mr GB don't really know each other very well, they just work in the same place, and it's just that There's a Lot of It About.
Especially in universities🙄
Please note, librarians, I did NOT say 'especially amongst librarians' - nobody wants to provoke the wrath of a librarian - remember Conan the Librarian?

I note that of the three comments posted to the Time Higher Ed article the first is the usual trans whine. What exactly is a transwoman being excluded from? Male sport - no. Male changing rooms - no.

The second two comments are more thoughtful and reasonable.

Maya’s thread on the role of AdvanceHE is interesting too:

https://x.com/MForstater/status/1908058426963382775

Ok, here we go

Two tweets submitted (tweeted yesterday) - can those of you with access to the hearing see them?

Counsel for UCU gets permission for very last minute submission of new evidence. In this case tweets from KJK.

No. Nor KJK ‘s more recent tweets.

Edit: that was in reply to @OhBuggerandArse

These tweets are thin stuff to discredit the idea that anyone except a fascist might use the term "adult human female".

Is he trying to link the documentary title to KJK?

The most "important" of the "relevant" tweets:

x.com/ThePosieParker/status/1907726902606848073

Yes, he is.

I don’t understand how this interterf dispute is relevant. They’ve already said they don’t agree that KJK owned the phrase and their film did not feature her in any way. Many of the featured people publicly disagree with her.

Ha ha ha ha @ThatPithySheep that is a good spot! I've just looked at my university's guidance: cue hasty withdrawal at top speed by our captured HR department (various colleagues, including me, have the scars to demonstrate the idiocy of our HR people on this matter) :

This guidance document [...] is currently being reviewed and updated.

They give an email address for any questions about "transinclusion"

Thank you, thank you, thank you OfS and Professor Stock!

It's two tweets by KJK from yesterday, saying dictionary def is adult female human, and adult human female is her take on it. Barrister for UCU talking about IP.

Take a shot everyone!