NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #16

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks. However, it is going to overrun and there will be an adjournment with the hearing resuming, possibly, in July. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently as a result of a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13
Thread 14: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272939-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-14
Thread 15: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5273119-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-15

But didn't DU already say he was born male?

AS WELL AS IT BEING COMPLETELY OBVIOUS

Sorry, trying to calm down.

I predict a return of Pete.

Yeah, cos all the women who have been sexually assaulted put themselves in that situation on purpose....

Someone identify as a skilled expert and help these poor people out!

I’m reminded of the time I took DD to the panto aged 6 and afterwards she said, “I really liked the lady who was the good fairy” long pause …… “Was it a lady though?”

So I think a 6 year old could be a good skilled expert in this case.

Their reproductive medicine unit must be in a right pickle

At last we have it!! Growing your hair and wearing makeup does not make you a woman!

So appropriate! I can hear it behind NC's XX. My country is terf island.

Only Sandie by the sound of it!

NC performing one-woman de-radicalisation. Love it!

ED - no NC - wore make up? ED - no NC - womens clothes? ED - unless he identified as a TW, no. I just have to be respectful of others beliefs as in code of conduct. NC - at clothes you changed your answer. Do clothes make you a woman

ED - if he identifies as a woman

NC - if he's done none of those things, but says he's a woman, is he?

ED - not my job to say. I'm not an expert, I have to respect what they are telling me. Doesn't influence me being able to treat patient.

Indeed! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

JR - we need a skilled expert to deal with sex qu

All the money in the world wouldn't be enough to get me to publicly beclown myself like this 😂

They are the special ones, who get to tell us all what is and what isn't, apparently...

Ooh I turned off R4 part-way through the discussion about the horror of frozen puff pastry for home made pies.

Except, it seems they're all secretly really terrified of DU....

Why does NC chain of questions remind me of this

Skilled expert needed to correctly sex a human klaxon!

These people are all terrified.

Oooh!

Yes sp dose but apparently she's the only one

I love that the days when I wear trousers instead of a skirt I suddenly develop descended testes and start to produce small gametes in large quantities and my entire DNA changes, ED.

I've got two biology degrees and I'm free!

The woman should have been promoted not suspended!

ED - if he identifies as a woman NC - if he's done none of those things, but says he's a woman, is he? ED - not my job to say. I'm not an expert, I have to respect what they are telling me. Doesn't influence me being able to treat patient.

There is that word 'respect' again......Respect means " Do As I desire and don't question it"