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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #14

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nauticant · 12/02/2025 11:30

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although once it was in to the second week it was looking like this would not happen. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently, as a result of a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13

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MarieDeGournay · 12/02/2025 11:55

<crowd cheering, clapping, stamping feet and chanting>

NAUT-C-ANT! NAUT-I-CANT! NAUT-I-CANT!

thank you!
Grin

ickky · 12/02/2025 11:55

discussing notes/incidents/dates]

NC Don't think SP should be forced to be in CR with me. Its c whether she harassed me and her discomfort justifies me not being able to use CR. Not in business of making ppl uncomfortable.

NotMaroonButRaspberry · 12/02/2025 11:55

FannyCann · 12/02/2025 11:54

What crowdfunded is this?

Not the one for DU to have some treats after this is all over surely?

One set up to mirror that.

Hope it's genuine and not a scammer

ElsaThebrave8 · 12/02/2025 11:55

FannyCann · 12/02/2025 11:54

What crowdfunded is this?

Not the one for DU to have some treats after this is all over surely?

No, treat one is at 1.4

Someone set one for Sandie late last night....

HalfWomanHalfHobnob · 12/02/2025 11:55

I'm pretty sure that NC knows what contemporaneous means, Dr Upton 🙄

Szygy · 12/02/2025 11:56

DU I understand. That is what contemporaneous means

🤯🤬

CoaltownFifer · 12/02/2025 11:56

He's still hiding evidence, huh? 🙄 The walls are closing in mate and I hope they fall on top of you!

Cismyfatarse · 12/02/2025 11:56

Ah, here comes a man to do mansplaining.

Boiledbeetle · 12/02/2025 11:56

FannyCann · 12/02/2025 11:54

What crowdfunded is this?

Not the one for DU to have some treats after this is all over surely?

Search crowdfunder sandie peggie it will come up

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #14
ElsaThebrave8 · 12/02/2025 11:56

"That is what contemporaneous means"

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

ickky · 12/02/2025 11:56

NC Incidents - CR, resus and missing patient

DU Main complaint c xmas eve. Others are where someone appears to be difficult with me - now in clinical areas, so how do we proceed. still trying to work things out as best for everyone.

ClosdesMouches · 12/02/2025 11:56

I was trying to reply to Chimpanzee on the ladt thread but it's now closed . I managed a two word post about DU's use of 'they'. I didn't finish my sentence because I had pressed post too soon, too late to edit now. I couldn't recall if DU had used 'they' previously.

RayonSunrise · 12/02/2025 11:57

HalfWomanHalfHobnob · 12/02/2025 11:55

I'm pretty sure that NC knows what contemporaneous means, Dr Upton 🙄

He just can't help himself, can he?

Boiledbeetle · 12/02/2025 11:57

Not in business of making ppl uncomfortable.

Yeah right!!!!

snickersbarchild · 12/02/2025 11:57

Has he had to disclose ALL his notes? So if he's making notes about anyone transgressing (according to him?)

LadyMacbethssweetArabianhand · 12/02/2025 11:57

His arrogance is breathtaking

Aquamarinescarf · 12/02/2025 11:57

nauticant
It struck me that although Sandie Peggie wouldn't want the delay, the hearing being put on hold for a couple of months, which could very easily happen because of problems with availability of counsel and the panel, would give the NHS plenty of thinking time about whether to settle.
Getting a settlement would be straightforward, but would involve a grovelling apology to Peggie and a reinstatement with a guarantee of no adverse consequences for her, at the very least, and from what we've seen in the past, organisations captured by genderism cannot make these concessions, even though the alternative might cost them greatly.

I guess now that the spotlight has been shone so wonderfully brightly on Upton and revealed how ridiculous GI is, it might be time to settle. But this is a strategic case and getting some kind of ruling on men in women's single sex spaces is probably the aim. If the person funding this has deep pockets and is confident that they're likely to get most of the costs back from NHS Fife then why not let the show run and run? Take down the Fife management (and send a message to management/ HR everywhere), shine light on the BMA as well as the useful idiot currently being examined, whom one would hope will find his licence to practice medicine revoked by the end of the year. There's a whole row of skittles to be knocked over here.

CarefulN0w · 12/02/2025 11:57

Got to the end of thread 11 late last night after a busy day at work...
Also have too much to do today but will try and keep an eye here before going back to read the previous threads. Still Shock at yesterday's performance from Dr Up. And GrinGrinGrin at NC's immersive role play and emperor's new clothes. What a woman.

GetDressedYouMerryGentlemen · 12/02/2025 11:57

ElsaThebrave8 · 12/02/2025 11:56

"That is what contemporaneous means"

GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Good to know there is a word in the English language he knows the meaning of.

ickky · 12/02/2025 11:57

DU these are records of my perceptions.

NC EIC re importance of trusting colleagues

DU y v impt

NC patient safety issue

Du Y. Potientially. Yes, I'll agree with you it's a patient safety issue. Trusting with life of human beings - different from eg gossip.

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 12/02/2025 11:58

RayonSunrise · 12/02/2025 11:57

He just can't help himself, can he?

It smacks of the Johnny Depp v amber heard case where Depp says, correct, correct, correct, you continue to be correct

NotAtMyAge · 12/02/2025 11:58

FannyCann · 12/02/2025 11:54

What crowdfunded is this?

Not the one for DU to have some treats after this is all over surely?

No, one "In support of Sandie Peggie."

ickky · 12/02/2025 11:59

NC and if so bigoted can't work tog with you is patient safety issue.

DU Y if req to work tog

NC Resus incident is most alarming and important of all. More imp than pretending you are a woman.

ickky · 12/02/2025 11:59

lol at NC

prh47bridge · 12/02/2025 11:59

ickky · 12/02/2025 11:55

discussing notes/incidents/dates]

NC Don't think SP should be forced to be in CR with me. Its c whether she harassed me and her discomfort justifies me not being able to use CR. Not in business of making ppl uncomfortable.

Liar. Your complaints started with her waiting outside the CR while you got changed, so you clearly think she should be forced to be in there with you. Further, none of the incidents suggest she wanted to stop you using the CR completely (although she probably did). She just didn't want you in there while she was in there. And you have admitted that you knew your presence in the CR made her uncomfortable but you went in anyway, so you clearly are in the business of making people uncomfortable.

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