For Women Scotland in Supreme court - thread 2

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5182666-for-women-scotland-heading-for-supreme-court

'does the possession of a certificate make any difference?' - judge

What the fuck is she (so smugly!) talking about?? 🤯

Transwomen without a GRC are not women!

oo, it's just being made clear that a transwoman might have a birth certificate that says she's a woman... go on, pick that up!

Magic words I AM A WOMAN BECAUSE I SAY I AM.

Judge: Does having a certificate make any difference?

So she's saying Transwomen have more protection than women and could go through any route

SG barrister, re TWs. You are only a woman if you have a GRC

Judge "and?..."

Ooh has she just said men who self identify as women aren't women?!

😂 I laughed.

Yes @Appalonia

I very much enjoyed that too

'are you going to deal with the counter argument' - judge

Ooh she's struggling here

Perception?! WTF does that have to do with the price of fish?

No love. (To SG barrister.) You are not on the FIRST of your difficult areas.

Yes!! It's inherent in the legislation!! Go, go!

I'm on my first difficult area. Really the 1st?

BUT. Most people can tell what true sex a person is. So transmen even with can clearly still suffer sex discrimination as female. But this wouldn't allow this.

If the TW has a GRC, she just says “I am a women”. We don’t have to wait till after lunch now.

Judge asking about living as a woman

Joyous

They are basically saying it's ok for TW to work in rape crisis centres here

'you don't have to show a certificate' - 'it would operate perfectly well for a transwoman without a certificate' - YES JUDGE

This is glorious!