For Women Scotland in Supreme court - thread 2

[ArabellaScott]

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5182666-for-women-scotland-heading-for-supreme-court

I have got some lipsyl. Does that count? (Hopeful).

Judges tell Crawford she's wrong.

Crawford seems to accept this by saying 'well it doesn't matter my case doesn't rest on this'

What a car crash!

I think the giving birth only counts if you do it in a womanly way. As you weren't wearing make up and keeping it topped up throughout labour then I have a sneaking suspicion that you laboured as a man. I guess you weren't also making sure your hair looked pretty during contractions so lose woman points for that too

I'm glad they're making sure of exactly what points are being made, even if I've lost the thread

Oh dear, they're all getting hangry, time for lunch!

I have got some lipsyl. Does that count? (Hopeful).

If it's tinted pink or red, yes. If not it's a bit too non binary.

I'm considering a fish finger sandwich.

Imagine if aliens are tuning in to this. They must be laughing their heads off and think we are easy pickings for invading or giving a wide berth!

Hmm, I thought she didn't like the term 'certificated sex'...

I did swear a bit. Which isn't ladylike. Looks like I will have to tell DH we have been living a lie...

It hasn't been mentioned that one of the purposes of the GRA was to allow two same sex people to marry - pre gay marriage equality.

Surely not good form to interrupt the judge while she's still formulating a question?

I think the judges weren't arguing between themselves, more trying to help each other understand (not sure how successfully tbh)

The judge on the right pointed out rather firmly that sex and gender reassignment are 2 separate provisions in the Act.

They might be so disconnected from the issue that they're still at the "some part of it must make sense or it wouldn't have got this far" mindset. I've managed to disabuse a few people of this recently by really hammering home that they're NOT MISSING ANYTHING. You know how insane it looks? That is actually how insane it is!

https://www.randomactsofmedicine.com/p/are-hungry-judges-and-tardy-doctors

This is an actual thing. Hungry judges give decisions unfavourable to prisoners.

I think one of the judges mentioned that when they were arguing? (The woman on the right)

Right hand judge did pick up that point.

What’s a Section 9 woman she speaks of?

oo, attempting to address the "strangely constituted group" issue...without success as far as I can see, given that a woman with a mastectomy and a GRC is still a woman, really truly...

Yes, but what it won't have is any actual MEN.

I don't understand why she thinks that transmem shouldn't be counted as female for sex discrimination?

Oh for goodness sake. All these people are actual women. So of course that is their sex. It isn't a 'strange group' at all!

Right hand judge with long dark hair is Lady Simler. Left hand judge with short white hair is Lady Rose.

Hi, just reading along, I can't bear to watch 😬 which point did the judges say she was wrong about please?

She seems to be undermining her own case here. Does the Act intend to protect the coherent group or the nonsensical one? Hmm- tricky.