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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse

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Hoardasurass · 13/10/2024 09:36

So as has been mentioned on threads about the Darlington nurses a nurse is sueing NHS Fife over its trans staff policy.
The poor nurse was forced to get changed infront of a man in the female changing facilities, when she complained about it she was 1st told to change in a cupboard if she didn't like it, then they tried to bully her into swapping shifts so she didn't work with the man in question (she wouldn't), then they wanted her to move hospital (again she refused) so then they suspended her without pay for months until her solicitor got involved and now they are trying to gag her by insisting that the court case (starts in February) must be held in secret (I wonder why) and will be in crt next month asking to restrict reporting on the case.

This case is really important in Scotland because the trans staff policy that's going on trial in this case is the Scottish government's own policy used in all public sector organisations in Scotland and works on self id. So when this case is won it will finally kill the Scottish government's self id policy in all public bodies

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

NHS Fife fights for secret hearings in trans woman in female changing room case

NHS Fife is facing landmark legal action by a nurse suspended after complaining about a transwoman in a female changing room.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891

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themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/01/2025 09:52

I'm sick of 'micro aggressions'. Surely there are enough children suffering massive great big criminal aggressions in this country who do not get justice for us to just expect employed people in well-paid, publicly funded, responsible jobs to just be a bit more fucking resilient?

BananaAppleOrange · 10/01/2025 09:57

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/01/2025 09:50

Yes I agree. However I have direct experience with dementia patients so could provide a perspective here, other perspectives are to be welcomed.

I simply cannot believe the NHS trust is actively undermining safeguarding for patients in this way.

The fact the therapist was lying to the court is appalling but sadly not shocking. When are such people going to get fired for this shit?

The point about boundaries applies to dementia patients too (and any patient lacking capacity even temporarily).

The ‘therapist’ is either an activist too or is in a bind - fear of being reported to the captured BACP. Given the lack of professionalism, I suspect the former.

BananaAppleOrange · 10/01/2025 09:58

I bet most charities are captured,

The Scottish government made it conditional for receiving government funding.

SinnerBoy · 10/01/2025 10:40

Ereshkigalangcleg · Yesterday 20:56

The hospital aren't very happy about that. Perhaps they think Upton won't do their case any good.

I should think that even the judge, who seems to be unable to differentiate between the two sexes may have a scales falling from the eyes moment, if he's cross examined by the redoutable Ms. Cunningham.

The hospital evidently DO know, despite their ridiculous position of giving everything to Upton and abusively "disciplining" Ms. Peggie, after abusively telling her to put up, or piss off.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/01/2025 10:53

There is zero chance a male who has been "transitioning" since 2022 passed as a woman when these incidents happened, or now.

Datun · 10/01/2025 11:00

As everyone else is noting, how dare a privileged man, forcing himself into the presence of unconsenting, disrobing women bleat on about micro aggressions. Whether as a minor hassle or a major one.

I hope Naomi Cunningham eviscerates his testimony.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/01/2025 11:12

Think the tribunal need to go to Specsavers if that is the dude who is one of the respondents in connection with the dreadful treatment of Sandie Peggie.

Just. wow. The gaslighting is real.

lcakethereforeIam · 10/01/2025 11:13

It's almost meta gaslighting, you're being gaslit about the gaslighting.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/01/2025 11:16

Exactly. I'm sure for some people that's the best kind.

donationsMakeMeFeelBetter · 10/01/2025 11:22

The therapist is clearly an activist; e.g. her blog post page links to this article (so presumably she wrote it, though it isn't signed).

Counselling in Northumberland

Online and In Person Counselling and Psychotherapy

https://counsellinginnorthumberland.com/

BananaAppleOrange · 10/01/2025 11:31

donationsMakeMeFeelBetter · 10/01/2025 11:22

The therapist is clearly an activist; e.g. her blog post page links to this article (so presumably she wrote it, though it isn't signed).

Edited

*”I graduated with my Post Graduate Diploma in Gender, Sexual and Relationship diversity therapy in 2019, it is one of the few courses in the world to cover this area in depth and I am an Advanced Accredited Gender, Sex and Relationship Diversities Therapist as awarded by Pink Therapy.”

BananaAppleOrange · 10/01/2025 11:40

TRAINING AND CAMPAIGNING
I offer bespoke, individually tailored training and consultancy packages, designed to fit the specific needs of private business, public and third sector organisations and groups. I have worked with local councils, charities and NHS trusts to train their staff and develop policies which ensure LGBTQAAI people are included and affirmed on every level. I also run counselling training in conjunction with Outreach Cumbria, Liverpool John Moores University, and my own workshops.”

BananaAppleOrange · 10/01/2025 11:47

They say they are BACP registered but I can’t find them.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/01/2025 11:49

I'm glad the preliminary hearing pointed out the therapist's lack of professionalism and impartiality.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/01/2025 11:54

BananaAppleOrange · 10/01/2025 11:40

TRAINING AND CAMPAIGNING
I offer bespoke, individually tailored training and consultancy packages, designed to fit the specific needs of private business, public and third sector organisations and groups. I have worked with local councils, charities and NHS trusts to train their staff and develop policies which ensure LGBTQAAI people are included and affirmed on every level. I also run counselling training in conjunction with Outreach Cumbria, Liverpool John Moores University, and my own workshops.”

So just some people get to be affirmed and included then - what about all the other protected characteristics? Why are these people deemed fit to run training?

Also, does anyone else at all get to be 'affirmed'? So far no one has affirmed my inner identity as a millionaire, more's the pity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/01/2025 12:04

Maybe someone should submit an FOI.

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 10/01/2025 12:09

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 10/01/2025 09:42

I thought the equal treatment bench book was changed?

I honestly just think the courts are not fit for purpose if they can force someone to lie in a way that is against their own case.

It's also damaging to society to enable an act in the courts that can undermine safeguarding - which deception about sex will do. Particularly in the case of someone in a position of power over vulnerable people as medics are.

The idea that courts can legitimately put pressure on people to lie under oath is absolutely absurd. I would like someone to make that point very forcibly to a judge.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/01/2025 12:22

Especially when Ms Peggie is alleging to have been the victim of sexual harassment by this male person.

Hoardasurass · 10/01/2025 13:06

RapidOnsetGenderCritic · 10/01/2025 12:09

The idea that courts can legitimately put pressure on people to lie under oath is absolutely absurd. I would like someone to make that point very forcibly to a judge.

Agree, isn't suborning perjury supposed to be something that judges/lawyers are struck off for

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UtopiaPlanitia · 10/01/2025 13:13

Datun · 08/01/2025 10:56

Yes. It wouldn't take long for everybody to do the same. The entire issue is a headache for suppliers.

Duncan Bannatyne did it.

Yes, he did and I’m very glad he did, but I’ve read on TwiX quite a few triumphant stories from males claiming womanhood stating that they got Bannatyne staff to let them into the women’s facilities. On a few occasions Bannatyne was made aware of this having happened and said he would address it with the particular branch where it happened. But it feels like he’s playing whack-a-mole with these males because they don’t respect the rules of his establishments, and they want to get one over on him, so they keep going where they’re explicitly not allowed.

Women’s boundaries are a challenge to some males.

BananaAppleOrange · 10/01/2025 13:24

The same thing happened with the toilets at the US Congress building.

UtopiaPlanitia · 10/01/2025 13:28

JellySaurus · 09/01/2025 14:25

Pronouns are Rohypnol

This can never be posted often enough.

I agree!

I also remain baffled as to why Jane Clare Jones wrote a piece (before Xmas) disagreeing with Barra Kerr’s excellent argument regarding pronoun usage 🤷‍♀️

Mmmnotsure · 10/01/2025 15:03

Karen Pollock's entry for the Pink Therapy directory contains an overview of themself:

Sexual identity:
Bi- | Pansexual
Kink - BDSM
Queer
Gender identity: Non-binary
Gender history: Not as assigned at birth
Intersex: No
Neurodivergent: Yes
Personal pronouns: they/them/their

BananaAppleOrange · 10/01/2025 15:06

Mmmnotsure · 10/01/2025 15:03

Karen Pollock's entry for the Pink Therapy directory contains an overview of themself:

Sexual identity:
Bi- | Pansexual
Kink - BDSM
Queer
Gender identity: Non-binary
Gender history: Not as assigned at birth
Intersex: No
Neurodivergent: Yes
Personal pronouns: they/them/their

Could you find her BAPC entry?

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