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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Fife tries to silence nurse

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Hoardasurass · 13/10/2024 09:36

So as has been mentioned on threads about the Darlington nurses a nurse is sueing NHS Fife over its trans staff policy.
The poor nurse was forced to get changed infront of a man in the female changing facilities, when she complained about it she was 1st told to change in a cupboard if she didn't like it, then they tried to bully her into swapping shifts so she didn't work with the man in question (she wouldn't), then they wanted her to move hospital (again she refused) so then they suspended her without pay for months until her solicitor got involved and now they are trying to gag her by insisting that the court case (starts in February) must be held in secret (I wonder why) and will be in crt next month asking to restrict reporting on the case.

This case is really important in Scotland because the trans staff policy that's going on trial in this case is the Scottish government's own policy used in all public sector organisations in Scotland and works on self id. So when this case is won it will finally kill the Scottish government's self id policy in all public bodies

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

NHS Fife fights for secret hearings in trans woman in female changing room case

NHS Fife is facing landmark legal action by a nurse suspended after complaining about a transwoman in a female changing room.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/nhs-fife-fights-secret-hearings-33877891

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FannyCann · 03/02/2025 11:33

Did someone say this is expected to last two weeks, J saying time is tight.

It's mad isn't it. Two whole weeks of debate over whether a man should be allowed in the women's changing room. 🙄

nauticant · 03/02/2025 11:33

Naomi Cunningham has a flurry of hes there, and is now being scolded by opposing counsel for deadnaming.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 03/02/2025 11:33

JR says that NC has dead named him, which is harassment. 🙄

Signalbox · 03/02/2025 11:33

Straight off the bat accusing the judge of discrimination if he makes an order which "dead names" the defendant.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 03/02/2025 11:34

She's annoying me already.

Hasn't the judge already ruled on the pronoun usage?

ILikeDungs · 03/02/2025 11:34

Skyellaskerry · 03/02/2025 11:32

When you say lots of observers, roughly how many would you say?

about 60

Signalbox · 03/02/2025 11:34

Dr Theodore Upton

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 03/02/2025 11:35

Ooh, it's a good job i'm on mute!

FannyCann · 03/02/2025 11:36

Skyellaskerry · 03/02/2025 11:32

When you say lots of observers, roughly how many would you say?

57 by my count, plus those reading tribunal tweets, others here who aren't logged in.

seXX · 03/02/2025 11:37

if it's deadnaming and harassment to put his GMC registry entry in his male name in the record, surely he can't work as a doctor as his degree was earned and given using his 'deadname'?

the sound is awful!

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 03/02/2025 11:37

Crap logged out as had a call come through, can't get back in.... will be relying on you wims on here.

nauticant · 03/02/2025 11:39

Having being scolded by opposing counsel, this has given NC the opportunity to effectively argue that hurt feelings don't overturn reality, and the tribunal must have regard to reality.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 03/02/2025 11:39

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 03/02/2025 11:37

Crap logged out as had a call come through, can't get back in.... will be relying on you wims on here.

There are 8 people in the lobby.

ILikeDungs · 03/02/2025 11:39

NC: second respondent's identity does not trump reality

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 03/02/2025 11:40

seXX · 03/02/2025 11:37

if it's deadnaming and harassment to put his GMC registry entry in his male name in the record, surely he can't work as a doctor as his degree was earned and given using his 'deadname'?

the sound is awful!

Edited

NC has the only decent mic.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 03/02/2025 11:42

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 03/02/2025 11:39

There are 8 people in the lobby.

So much for open justice... how difficult is it to let observers in? I only logged out just in case my mic was somehow on (even though logged in as observer).

Chrysanthemum5 · 03/02/2025 11:44

Im in the lobby have been for a while so maybe they are not letting people in after it starts?

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 03/02/2025 11:44

I wonder if he'll give evidence, or pull a Wadhwa and avoid the witness box like the plague??

nauticant · 03/02/2025 11:45

In other tribunals, people in the lobby do get let in after not too long.

I do wish chair of the tribunal would not lean so far back away from his microphone.

Peregrina · 03/02/2025 11:46

Did the judge need to ask what was meant by 'deadname'? Surely formername would be factual?
The BMA could get round their false record by stating Theodore Upton, a.k.a Elizabeth. And adding - sex - male, gender (if different) - female. Then we would all know exactly where we were, and those who didn't mind a TW doctor could happily agree to be treated by him/her/them.

FannyCann · 03/02/2025 11:46

Does the Dr have a GRC does anyone know?

JR just pointing out that people change their names all the time including when they get married. I don't consider my maiden name to be a deadname. And as @seXX pointed out, registration was obtained in previous name.
The idea that a person's past should be wiped out and never mentioned is ridiculous.

Rightsraptor · 03/02/2025 11:47

I've got no sound now!

nauticant · 03/02/2025 11:48

It's ridiculous isn't it? The reality that NC wants to rely on is that one's actual identity doesn't change at all, it simply acquires a thin veneer that everyone has to focus on and thus gaslight themselves and others.

FannyCann · 03/02/2025 11:48

Sound off. J has nipped next door to take a look at his laptop.

ILikeDungs · 03/02/2025 11:48

Rightsraptor · 03/02/2025 11:47

I've got no sound now!

J has left room to find something, no speaking

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