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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

For Women Scotland heading for Supreme Court

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Imnobody4 · 07/10/2024 23:19

You can read the reasons etc in For Women Scotlands crowdfunder. They are launching this review
UK Supreme Court: The Definition of Sex in the Equality Act

The Inner House of the Court of Session Judgment

We believe the Equality Act was drafted on the basis of the ordinary, common law understanding of the biological differences between the two sexes. The protected characteristic of “sex” in the Equality Act is defined as a reference to a man or a woman, where man means “a male of any age” and woman means “a female of any age”. We think it is quite clear that these are distinct and separate groups and that “woman” is not a mixed-sex category.

However, in our recent judicial review, For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers [2023] CSIH 37, the Inner House took the opposite view and decided there is a relationship between the Gender Recognition Act 2004 (GRA) and Equality Act 2010 and held that the meaning of sex in the Equality Act incorporated the GRA framework.

The court decision stated that a person with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) in their acquired gender has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. Separately, they also possess the protected characteristic of sex according to the terms of their GRC and have a presumptive right to access the single-sex services of their acquired gender.

The Supreme Court will consider a request brought by For Women Scotland (FWS) who argue there are “strong grounds” for its challenge, which will almost certainly overturn contentious Scottish government legislation if successful.Campaigners for women’s “sex-based” rights reacted with delight to the news, including Magi Gibson, the poet, who posted on X/Twitter, that it was “game on” on in the “fight for the protection of women’s rights within the UK legal system”.Dennis Noel Kavanagh, a lawyer and the director of Gay Men’s Network, said: “Getting permission to go to the Supreme Court is really hard and very rare but FWS have it. The question ‘what is a woman’ in law will now be heard by our highest court. Massive news.”

www.thetimes.com/article/088ae0ce-fba9-4b97-8331-01a32195bef5?shareToken=3ada340957f5d2af2e20b01a7c15da3b

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ILikeDungs · 26/11/2024 10:34

Started

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:34

It's now up on the live feed of the Supreme Court.

Boiledbeetle · 26/11/2024 10:34

And we're off!

Deadhouseplant · 26/11/2024 10:35

I’m in thank you

Villagetoraiseachild · 26/11/2024 10:35

Prayers Up, FWS!

Harassedevictee · 26/11/2024 10:37

Ooh going for Amnesty straight away.

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:37

I do like the shorthand of "certificated sex".

Signalbox · 26/11/2024 10:37

Deadhouseplant · 26/11/2024 10:31

Had anyone got the livestream? I don’t know if it’s just my internet but I can access the SC website and can’t see anything on YT

https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html

Watch live - the Supreme Court

Watch live Supreme Court sittings

https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html

Deadhouseplant · 26/11/2024 10:39

I bet this bloke had never said sex so much in one day!

BettyFilous · 26/11/2024 10:40

I missed the start. Who is the guy currently speaking?

Boiledbeetle · 26/11/2024 10:40

This reply has been withdrawn

Screenshots of the livestream are not permitted by the court - we're erring on the side of caution in removing this.

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:41

Aidan O’Neill KC. I like his style of presentation.

Aidan O’Neill KC acts for the Appellant, For Women Scotland.

Karon Monaghan KC act for the Interveners, Scottish Lesbians, The Lesbian Project and LGB Alliance.

Sarah Hannett KC, Raj Desai and Roisin Swords – Kieley act for the Intervener, Amnesty International UK.

holiverterwist · 26/11/2024 10:44

He's very particular with his 't's

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 10:45

Do we know who is acting for Scotgov and EHRC?

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:47

Ruth Crawford KC will speak for the Scottish government.

chilling19 · 26/11/2024 10:48

Mansplaning 😂😂😂

Harassedevictee · 26/11/2024 10:48

He is good.

larklane17 · 26/11/2024 10:49

Here at last. MN rule reminder. Never open the front door.

holiverterwist · 26/11/2024 10:52

I've had emergency plumbers out this morning. Never so pleased to see them go off in good tie for e to give this my full attention. And we have hot water again.

Deadhouseplant · 26/11/2024 10:52

Harassedevictee · 26/11/2024 10:48

He is good.

I often find I’m lost be legal arguments in these cases but I’m finding it easy to follow his argument. Either he is excellent or I’m getting better at this lark 😀

ILikeDungs · 26/11/2024 10:55

Passive aggressive Latin!

Villagetoraiseachild · 26/11/2024 10:55

Deadhouseplant · 26/11/2024 10:52

I often find I’m lost be legal arguments in these cases but I’m finding it easy to follow his argument. Either he is excellent or I’m getting better at this lark 😀

He is excellent, very clear, good pace, logical, good flow.
I watched an earlier interview.

Villagetoraiseachild · 26/11/2024 10:56

Please keep commenting, im getting ropey reception on my shit tablet!

chilling19 · 26/11/2024 10:57

I like the emphasis on the historical underpinnings.

Harassedevictee · 26/11/2024 10:57

The historic omnipresence of patriarchy 😂

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