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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

For Women Scotland heading for Supreme Court

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Imnobody4 · 07/10/2024 23:19

You can read the reasons etc in For Women Scotlands crowdfunder. They are launching this review
UK Supreme Court: The Definition of Sex in the Equality Act

The Inner House of the Court of Session Judgment

We believe the Equality Act was drafted on the basis of the ordinary, common law understanding of the biological differences between the two sexes. The protected characteristic of “sex” in the Equality Act is defined as a reference to a man or a woman, where man means “a male of any age” and woman means “a female of any age”. We think it is quite clear that these are distinct and separate groups and that “woman” is not a mixed-sex category.

However, in our recent judicial review, For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers [2023] CSIH 37, the Inner House took the opposite view and decided there is a relationship between the Gender Recognition Act 2004 (GRA) and Equality Act 2010 and held that the meaning of sex in the Equality Act incorporated the GRA framework.

The court decision stated that a person with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) in their acquired gender has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. Separately, they also possess the protected characteristic of sex according to the terms of their GRC and have a presumptive right to access the single-sex services of their acquired gender.

The Supreme Court will consider a request brought by For Women Scotland (FWS) who argue there are “strong grounds” for its challenge, which will almost certainly overturn contentious Scottish government legislation if successful.Campaigners for women’s “sex-based” rights reacted with delight to the news, including Magi Gibson, the poet, who posted on X/Twitter, that it was “game on” on in the “fight for the protection of women’s rights within the UK legal system”.Dennis Noel Kavanagh, a lawyer and the director of Gay Men’s Network, said: “Getting permission to go to the Supreme Court is really hard and very rare but FWS have it. The question ‘what is a woman’ in law will now be heard by our highest court. Massive news.”

www.thetimes.com/article/088ae0ce-fba9-4b97-8331-01a32195bef5?shareToken=3ada340957f5d2af2e20b01a7c15da3b

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RoyalCorgi · 25/11/2024 21:03

Great piece from Iain McWhirter in the Sunday Times:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/a469221f-f03b-4219-afbf-9c9b31728e30

nettie434 · 25/11/2024 22:29

Susan Smith from For Women Scotland has just done an excellent interview on the World Tonight on the radio.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0025d5j

It's about 20 minutes in. This link might be a bit wobbly for a couple of hours after 22.45 until it's on Sounds but fingers crossed it will work after that!

BBC Radio 4 - The World Tonight, 25/11/2024

In depth reporting, intelligent analysis and breaking news from a global perspective.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0025d5j

MarjorieDanvers · 25/11/2024 23:42

@nettie434 your link worked for me (it’s closer to just after 16 minutes for the start of the piece but Sue Smith is on just before 20 minutes in as you say. Thank you 🙏

MarjorieDanvers · 25/11/2024 23:56

OMG the female politician who spoke after Sue was bonkers - though fair play it did sound like she believed the nonsense she was spouting! I understand the phrase gobsmaked now!

OldCrone · 26/11/2024 00:03

MarjorieDanvers · 25/11/2024 23:56

OMG the female politician who spoke after Sue was bonkers - though fair play it did sound like she believed the nonsense she was spouting! I understand the phrase gobsmaked now!

Totally insane. She thinks women can rape, which is not the case in UK law, since rape requires a penis, so the only "women" who can rape are the male ones. She also thinks that women are just as sexually violent as men, when a quick glance at the statistics shows that about 99% of sexual crimes are committed by men.

Snowypeaks · 26/11/2024 00:06

OldCrone · 26/11/2024 00:03

Totally insane. She thinks women can rape, which is not the case in UK law, since rape requires a penis, so the only "women" who can rape are the male ones. She also thinks that women are just as sexually violent as men, when a quick glance at the statistics shows that about 99% of sexual crimes are committed by men.

It's the women's prison fantasy.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 00:18

She was even stupider or more mendacious (I can't decide which is more likely) than I expected her to be. And that's a lot.

ChaChaChooey · 26/11/2024 01:15

OldCrone · 26/11/2024 00:03

Totally insane. She thinks women can rape, which is not the case in UK law, since rape requires a penis, so the only "women" who can rape are the male ones. She also thinks that women are just as sexually violent as men, when a quick glance at the statistics shows that about 99% of sexual crimes are committed by men.

Because the hoards of female serial killers with paraphiliac criminal signatures are too clever to get caught, leaving just their male equivalents to be prosecuted and incarcerated globally?

🙃 🤡

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 08:50

The only way rape can be committed in a female only space is if there's a male in there, regardless of whether he has female accomplices.

motheronthedancefloor · 26/11/2024 09:54

Lady Simler is one to worry about

https://www.judiciary.uk/guidance-and-resources/148338-2/

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:03

About to be covered on Woman's Hour. Peculiarly apt for them to cover but what will they say?

Rightsraptor · 26/11/2024 10:08

What time does the hearing start?

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:08

I think they said half 10.

chilling19 · 26/11/2024 10:10

Morning all. Just checked the YouTube link but can't find it - any suggestions?

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:10

https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html

FWS presenting today, Scottish Government responding tomorrow.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 10:13

Morning, checking in and will be watching on YouTube.

chilling19 · 26/11/2024 10:15

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:10

https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html

FWS presenting today, Scottish Government responding tomorrow.

Thank you 👍👍👍👍👍

WarriorN · 26/11/2024 10:19

In 15 mins behind but it's on woman's hour

WarriorN · 26/11/2024 10:23

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:03

About to be covered on Woman's Hour. Peculiarly apt for them to cover but what will they say?

Sorry missed that. I started a different thread so it's easier to shout about their reporting

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:25

Yes, I posted my very brief thoughts there.

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:28

For veterans of Employment Tribunal streams, bear in mind this will be incredibly dry. There should be a bonus at some point:

Sex Matters, represented by Ben Cooper KC and David Welsh, is intervening in the appeal in the case of For Women Scotland v Scottish Ministers, which will be heard by the Supreme Court on 26th and 27th November 2024. We argue that “sex” in the Equality Act 2010 should be construed as referring to biological sex.24 Oct 2024

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/11/2024 10:28

Who did they have on?

nauticant · 26/11/2024 10:30

A proper journalist: https://x.com/BBCPhilipSim

Deadhouseplant · 26/11/2024 10:31

Had anyone got the livestream? I don’t know if it’s just my internet but I can access the SC website and can’t see anything on YT

Rightsraptor · 26/11/2024 10:31

I can't see anything either

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