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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

For Women Scotland heading for Supreme Court

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Imnobody4 · 07/10/2024 23:19

You can read the reasons etc in For Women Scotlands crowdfunder. They are launching this review
UK Supreme Court: The Definition of Sex in the Equality Act

The Inner House of the Court of Session Judgment

We believe the Equality Act was drafted on the basis of the ordinary, common law understanding of the biological differences between the two sexes. The protected characteristic of “sex” in the Equality Act is defined as a reference to a man or a woman, where man means “a male of any age” and woman means “a female of any age”. We think it is quite clear that these are distinct and separate groups and that “woman” is not a mixed-sex category.

However, in our recent judicial review, For Women Scotland v The Scottish Ministers [2023] CSIH 37, the Inner House took the opposite view and decided there is a relationship between the Gender Recognition Act 2004 (GRA) and Equality Act 2010 and held that the meaning of sex in the Equality Act incorporated the GRA framework.

The court decision stated that a person with a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) in their acquired gender has the protected characteristic of gender reassignment. Separately, they also possess the protected characteristic of sex according to the terms of their GRC and have a presumptive right to access the single-sex services of their acquired gender.

The Supreme Court will consider a request brought by For Women Scotland (FWS) who argue there are “strong grounds” for its challenge, which will almost certainly overturn contentious Scottish government legislation if successful.Campaigners for women’s “sex-based” rights reacted with delight to the news, including Magi Gibson, the poet, who posted on X/Twitter, that it was “game on” on in the “fight for the protection of women’s rights within the UK legal system”.Dennis Noel Kavanagh, a lawyer and the director of Gay Men’s Network, said: “Getting permission to go to the Supreme Court is really hard and very rare but FWS have it. The question ‘what is a woman’ in law will now be heard by our highest court. Massive news.”

www.thetimes.com/article/088ae0ce-fba9-4b97-8331-01a32195bef5?shareToken=3ada340957f5d2af2e20b01a7c15da3b

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TWETMIRF · 27/11/2024 12:10

MovingCrib · 27/11/2024 12:07

Ah yes "The Salmon of Knowledge". The Clownfish of Knowledge not so helpful when it comes to describing how one might live as a woman.

Clown fish are proof that trans people can change sex and also breathe underwater

Mmmnotsure · 27/11/2024 12:11

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2024 12:08

The GRA is primarily about individual rights, whereas the equality act is about group protections. The GRA seeks to impose an individual's rights ( however they are defined) upon whole protected groups ( women)

Yes, and the GRA is vertical - the individual's relation to the state; while the EA works horizontally - relationships with others and between groups.

MarieDeGournay · 27/11/2024 12:11

TWETMIRF · 27/11/2024 12:05

So too early to add filming yourself wanking in the ladies?

My strangely-wired brain hears everything as potential song-lyrics, and has immediately linked the words 'wanking in the ladies' to a song which goes 'Roaming in the gloaming with a lassie by my side'.
Try it. It fits. You'll hate me for it.😁

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2024 12:11

"This total bullshit has totally by-passed the attention of parliament"

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2024 12:12

"There is no logic, sir"

GailBlancheViola · 27/11/2024 12:14

Thanks Arabella.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 27/11/2024 12:14

I hope the new thread has 'revelations after lunch' in the title somewhere.

Am off to consult with my own salmon sandwich.

Boiledbeetle · 27/11/2024 12:15

I'm totally lost now.

And

Thanks @ArabellaScott

ArabellaScott · 27/11/2024 12:15

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 27/11/2024 12:14

I hope the new thread has 'revelations after lunch' in the title somewhere.

Am off to consult with my own salmon sandwich.

Sorry, I missed that chance!

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 27/11/2024 12:15

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2024 12:08

The GRA is primarily about individual rights, whereas the equality act is about group protections. The GRA seeks to impose an individual's rights ( however they are defined) upon whole protected groups ( women)

I'm dipping in & out of various feeds on this but this tweet covers the contradictions of the position adopted to ram through the GRRB & the known reality & impact they actually intended to legislate for - while failing to make that clear to the Scottish Parliament:

https://x.com/lucyhunterb/status/1861726914446065809?s=46

"The KC for @scotgov has just killed self-ID as a politically viable project. A GRC has "far-reaching consequences which are not just vertical in the relationship between the state and the individual..it has horizontal effects between individuals and private organisations..."

They claimed it was 'just admin'...

ArabellaScott · 27/11/2024 12:16

Is she about to start crying? I am starting to feel sorry for her.

ILikeDungs · 27/11/2024 12:17

quiet for a very long time!

edited because I pressed post too soon

highame · 27/11/2024 12:17

That may not have assisted m Lad. oh how they laughed

BettyFilous · 27/11/2024 12:17

I feel like I am in a bramble thicket. Can anyone see a way out of this linguistic tangle?

Boiledbeetle · 27/11/2024 12:17

ArabellaScott · 27/11/2024 12:16

Is she about to start crying? I am starting to feel sorry for her.

She doesn't seem very comfortable right now.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 27/11/2024 12:17

'That may not have assisted, My Lady?'

Silence...😬

highame · 27/11/2024 12:19

Oh my oh my. Isn't it just such a bloody mess

Shortshriftandlethal · 27/11/2024 12:19

"She's having to think on her feet, because the law is an ass...and we can all see it...." ( It's like she is sitting an oral examination by showing she's clever and understands the key terminology - even if the panel doesn't)

Olderbadger1 · 27/11/2024 12:19

Whatever the outcome, what an extraordinary legacy to leave behind you - fighting to end women's rights in the UK.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 27/11/2024 12:19

It's all a bit wobbly wobbly timey wimey.

HarpQuartet · 27/11/2024 12:20

I'm so lost

ickky · 27/11/2024 12:20

ArabellaScott · 27/11/2024 12:16

Is she about to start crying? I am starting to feel sorry for her.

She does look a bit glassy eyed. It must be impossible difficult to argue their case.

ArabellaScott · 27/11/2024 12:20

Nearly finished. Nearly lunchtime!

Iamiams · 27/11/2024 12:21

wtf

The meaning of life is no longer 42
Its 9.3

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