Another GC employment tribunal: Roz Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre #3

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Roz Adams was employed by Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre (ERCC) as a counsellor. She is claiming constructive dismissal for Gener Critical (GC) beliefs. The CEO of ERCC is a well known transwoman known for, among other things, controversial "reframe your trauma" remarks.

There's live tweeting from https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets or if Twitter doesn't show the tweets, look at https://nitter.net/tribunaltweets. There's an informative substack here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre

This post explains how to get access to watch the hearing: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2?page=24&reply=132419912

Abbreviations:
J: Employment Judge McFatridge
RA: Roz Adams, the claimant
NC: Naomi Cunningham, barrister for the claimant
ERCC or R: Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, the respondent
DH: David Hay KC, barrister for the respondent
KM: Katy McTernan, ERCC Senior management
MR: Mairi Rosko, ERCC Board Member
MS: Miren Sagues, ERCC Board Member
KH: Katie Horburgh, ERCC Board Member
AB: ERCC staff member (name redacted)
NCi: Nico Ciubotariu, COO of ERCC
MW: Mridul Wadhwa, CEO of ERCC
BP: Beira's Place

RA gave evidence over 15-18 January 2024.

Witnesses:
Nicole Jones (NJ): 18 January 2024 (on behalf of RA)
Mairi Rosko (MR): 19 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
Katy McTernan (referred to both as KT and KM): 22 January 2024 (on behalf of ERCC)
[more to follow]

Thread #1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4985570-another-gc-employment-tribunal-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crsis
Thread #2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4988632-another-gc-employment-tribunal-roz-adams-vs-edinburgh-rape-crisis-centre-2

I don't think they are being very nice about Roz is the gist I'm getting

Lots of page turning in the b**dle

I have no idea what the hell is going on at this point!

And neither does the witness!
Don't blame her!

This is where the devil is in the detail because many of these employees seem to believe someone such as MW is biologically female.

On about a meeting that the witness didn't attend

NC: ... in the absence of Mridul or Nico ...

I love it every time she does this.

My phone has overheated! Will have to find a nother way to listen...

RedToothbrush, reading yesterday's tribunal notes, all I kept hearing in my head was 'Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?' McCarthyism in action right under our noses.

NC email explaining c meeting we'd asked for minutes of. Told no notes taken, the team were thinking c implications of AB and name change. There's nothing here c RA

KM I wasn't at mtg

NC in absence of MW and Nico, do you agree clear implication is there is going to be a mtg c what nearly made KimT's 'head nearly shoot off my shoulders'

KM don't know

NC and none of people giving evidence was at mtg

KM no

NC is doing a brilliant job of bringing in wider aspects of the debate - asymmetry, the piss protests, raising the question of NWORIADS ...

Onto the outcomes of the grievance procedure

I love her long questions!

NC asking witness to read part of the outcomes i think

Long wait again

NC Elaine's email summarising things ercc to do, includes apologise to RA c unwarranted and unhelpful lang used within the docs

NC What lang was that

KM don't know.

WOW thats a set up...

The answer given is that 'they don't think thats whats happened' NOT 'if thats what found then of course an investigation into discrimination should be conducted'.

That speaks volumes of the culture for me tbh.

My attention is going, something about the claim that the claimant was transphobic.

Witness. Not a discussion about the claimant being transphobic within the process so that word shouldn't be used

???

Hello and apologies if this has been discussed: I have a busy few days at work and am a few pages behind.

Do we know if the tribunal will continue tomorrow? I'm wondering about freeing up some time to observe.

Many thanks in advance.

NC can you agree that ElaineC is suggesting ercc apologise for claim RA = transphobic

KM [long pause] just reading it. There's no discussion c RA being transphobic in the processes so word shouldn't have been used within the grievance letter

NC but doc says that word transphobic shouldn't have been used, and no evidence transphobia occurred. Clear that ercc should apologise for use of word transphobic. You agree?

KM yes [for once]

They are hoping to get through all the witnesses by the end of tomorrow so it will probably be a full day again. There is at least one more witness to go

so they didn't apologise?

Last day tomorrow. Still two more witnesses to get through.

Oh so they did attempt to settle before going to the hearing, interesting

And I'm back!

KM Unfortunately I have to agree that apology for the language wasn't made to RA. There was an error about who was responsible for doing that and so it didn't happen. Sorry about that.

KM [re the apology] It got caught up in attempts to settle prior to coming to the hearing and that meant apology not made.