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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Lib-Dem Voice - 'debunking the gender critical myth'

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ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:11

https://www.libdemvoice.org/debunking-the-gender-critical-myth-74015.html

'Medical science is wonderful and has helped us overcome constraints of biology.'
...

'Every morning I wake up and take 5mg of estradiol valerate, and every night before I go to bed, I take 200mg of progesterone. As a result, more of my body is female than male,'

Chris Northwood (she/her) is a councillor in Manchester, deputy group leader of the Manchester Liberal Democrats and member of Federal Council.

Debunking the “gender critical” myth

“Sex is binary and immutable” is the great myth that underpins “gender critical” ideology. At first glance, it might appear to be plausible, but anything beyond a cursory inspection shows it to be shallow and incorrect. Biology is a complex system, and...

https://www.libdemvoice.org/debunking-the-gender-critical-myth-74015.html

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ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:13

Comment from legal feminist Audrey Ludwig:

https://twitter.com/AudreySuffolk/status/1708514989944733981

'This article seriously misrepresents the appeal judgment of Forstater. Whilst the words quoted "even though there is significant scientific evidence that it is wrong" is in the judgment, it is quote of the first instance judge, whose determinations were overturned on appeal'
'Similarly the quote "profoundly offensive and distressing " omits the end of the sentence (in para 116) " to many others but they are beliefs that are and must be tolerated in a pluralist society."'

https://twitter.com/AudreySuffolk/status/1708514989944733981

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LunaNorth · 01/10/2023 22:14

”My body is more female than male?”

By what measure?

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:17

Milligrams, apparently.

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PermanentTemporary · 01/10/2023 22:22

Well, apart from quoting from the original judgement and saying it was from the appeal...

It's so utterly mad. Person takes large dose of hormones of the opposite sex, therefore person IS the opposite sex. Magical thinking. Women taking testosterone for low libido aren't men but women taking testosterone for gender dysphoria are men. More magical thinking. Intersex is real! Nonbinary is real!

If they keep saying it louder and louder, I guess they think the Lib Dem GC women will shut up? Good luck with that.

Heliotroper · 01/10/2023 22:24

So all thirteen comments agreed with the article? I know the LibDems are in pretty deep but I suspect there may be some censorship there.

Rightsraptor · 01/10/2023 22:25

It's very badly written, the grammar is all over the place and the meaning is unclear in parts. Plus, of course, bits if it are just plain wrong.

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:27

Here's another LibDem councillor calling women 'disgusting' for campaigning for women-only sport:

https://twitter.com/millihill/status/1708453929447493771

Hannah Kitching is:

Leader of the opposition on Barnsley Council Barnsley Liberal Democrats group leader. Councillor for Penistone West

https://twitter.com/millihill/status/1708453929447493771

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ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:27

Heliotroper · 01/10/2023 22:24

So all thirteen comments agreed with the article? I know the LibDems are in pretty deep but I suspect there may be some censorship there.

It seems other comments have been submitted but not approved.

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LunaNorth · 01/10/2023 22:31

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:27

Here's another LibDem councillor calling women 'disgusting' for campaigning for women-only sport:

https://twitter.com/millihill/status/1708453929447493771

Hannah Kitching is:

Leader of the opposition on Barnsley Council Barnsley Liberal Democrats group leader. Councillor for Penistone West

Represents Penistone, eh?

<sits on hands>

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LizzieSiddal · 01/10/2023 22:39

So if I take fish oils everyday will that make me more fish?

LunaNorth · 01/10/2023 22:41

By that reckoning, I must be more cocoa than human.

Justme56 · 01/10/2023 22:43

The comments. Sam’s 4 year old daughter (doesn’t know her chromosomes) told him off for not mentioning NB’s when talking about a unisex toilet and a cis man is often mistaken for a woman because of his long hair - especially when he’s abroad!

ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 22:45

LizzieSiddal · 01/10/2023 22:39

So if I take fish oils everyday will that make me more fish?

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Piccalillipromises · 01/10/2023 22:52

Well... you are what you eat, after all...
Seriously, how have things become this insane, how is this person not being laughed out of the room??!

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 01/10/2023 22:54

what a loon

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 22:54

Piccalillipromises · 01/10/2023 22:52

Well... you are what you eat, after all...
Seriously, how have things become this insane, how is this person not being laughed out of the room??!

Cos they are ALL this batshit in the LDs.

nauticant · 01/10/2023 22:58

Check out the replies to Northwood's tweet:

https://twitter.com/cnorthwood/status/1708446730616738270

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 23:06

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ArabellaScott · 01/10/2023 23:08

RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 22:54

Cos they are ALL this batshit in the LDs.

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RedToothBrush · 01/10/2023 23:16

This is what you get when you cross Superted with politics

This is a story about an ordinary teddy bear...
When he was made, they found something wrong with him...
And threw him away like a piece of rubbish into an old dark storeroom...
Then, from outer space, a spotty man, brought him to life with his cosmic dust!
He took him to a magic cloud where Mother Nature gave him special powers...
That bear became SUPERTED!

TheDogthatDug · 02/10/2023 01:08

The comments are hilarious especially Sam's daughter.

popebishop · 02/10/2023 03:57

Just because someone is female (not that they are) that doesn't make them a woman, does it? Are they claiming there is something female about a woman? Because.... that's not debunking gender-criticism....

drspouse · 02/10/2023 04:12

Hang on, does Sam's daughter not know her chromosomes or does Sam not know them?
If the former, she's 4.
If the latter, bollocks. Sam knows they are either XX or possibly XXX which is v rare but not always diagnosed at birth.
All other DSDs including XO and XY female (CAIS) are now usually diagnosed soon after birth.

PriOn1 · 02/10/2023 04:34

From the comments, this is hilarious:

”Without fail, I always think what nonsense the sex indication on my daughter’s birth certificate is: I have no idea what her chromosomes or hormones are, and neither do the doctors who wrote that in”

Oh those silly doctors (probably was the midwife actually, but who’s counting?). Imagine thinking that there was some kind of connection between the child’s observed phenotype and her chromosomes and hormones!

Horrors!

What profound ignorance those foolish doctors have, despite all their time spent studying and their years of experience.

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