MPs who believe ‘women have a penis’ will be named and shamed ahead of general election

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Brilliant plan sure plenty of Mumsnetters will be up for being part of the volunteer army asking questions:

An “army” of volunteers in an apolitical new grassroots campaign is gearing up to meet all MPs and parliamentary candidates at hustings events and on their doorsteps to ask each one the question: “What is a woman?”

Their answers will be video recorded and uploaded individually to a website which is being launched in the coming months.

It will allow voters to find out instantly whether their next MP thinks women must be born female and that binary biological sex cannot be changed, or whether they believe that male-born transgender women are women too.

Sharron Davies MBE, the former Olympic swimmer and feminist campaigner who has been appointed as the campaign’s first ambassador, said it would let voters “know if their MP will stand up for women”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/09/23/mps-believe-women-penis-named-trans-election-sharron-davies/

We also need a women's issues hustings in every constituency in the election run by people who know what women are. Women Won't Wheesht (WWW) have already run the prototype in Rutherglen [the hustings was reinstated after an attempt to cancel it after they realised banning women's meetings is in fact illegal.]
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4899435-womens-group-hustings-for-rutherglen-hamilton-west-byelection-cancelled

Ha yes

Who is arguing that arabella? Because if that's aimed at me you are completely missing my point

I'm not a man

Good for you. You are in a minority. Most voters couldn't care less. Otherwise we wouldn't have had the absolute plums we get as MPs (Jeremy Corbyn, Grant Shapps, Jamie Wallace etc)

And most politicians have to vote/say things along the "party line". For most of us, if we look up our mp on "they work for you", they are going to have voted for policies we strongly disagree with. Conservative politicians are the only ones who have the party top cover at the moment to confidently answer the question. And then the party line is "no women have penises" so you still will be none the wiser as to whether that's what they actually think or whether that's what CCHQ has told them to say.

So yes. This sounds great at face value, but dig deeper and its probably not a politically neutral grass roots thing.

You have quoted me, written multiple paragraphs, and yet seem to have gone to ZERO effort to read what I said.

I say that, because your post ends with yet another remark about whether the website is "politically neutral". Let me say this in small words for those rendered illiterate by political tribalism:

I Don't Care.

I do, however, feel a great amount of irritation with your lecture about how I'm a 'minority', as if that should make me think "oh, better give up my principles then".

I'm quite aware that I can't read minds, thank you, and I did not need to be told so. Do make sure to take your attitude with you when you go canvassing for whatever party you support. I believe in you and your ability to drop its constituency vote share.

Well it's certainly touched a nerve. I hope the website comes with a map. In fact, lots of maps. Maps for yes, no, didn't give clear answer. And then by those categories for all the main parties.

Nah, Resister, no point to any maps. I've just been assured that most voters don't care what their MPs do or say, with a clear implication that they will continue to vote for plums, no matter how clearly their purple, curved nature is signposted.

Dunno why anyone is worried about this website, at all. No-one would EVER look at it.

Is it like a double negative, use two traditionally masculine names in your username and we should know you are female? 🤔

Seriously, if Adam Ryan and whoever else wants to avoid this website, off you trot. Don't look back. Begone. Go forth and do whatever it is you want to instead.

You, however, don't get to tell anyone else what the should or should not read, listen to, or watch.

Who do you think you are?

Agree totally. If all MPs are asked the same question and given the same chance to respond and accurately quoted then it is doing the whole country a democratic favour.

And if it is a free speech lobby group or PR group so what. Free speech is also a corner stone of democracy.

And if it keeps Labour out of power then hoo-bloody-rah. They will take women's rights back years if they get in, we'll be totally stuffed. Labour need a complete turn over of personnel at the top before they're trustworthy on women's rights again.

Maps is good!

Many media outlets will report or quote MPs over what is recorded. They love a 'gotcha'. It would be great of local news etc can just quickly find out how many candidates in their area would have passed a biology O level.

Brilliant I agree a map is a great idea

Agree with @Baldieheid too re pp

OMG I assume you are joking when you lump Jeremy Clarkson, Nigel Farage and Russell Brand together 😂

This thread is a timely reminder of why I moved away from left wing politics. Nothing is ever pure enough 🙄😂

As @NeighbourhoodWatchPotholeDivision said up thread I also don't care where the information comes from. If a politician believes something that I believe to be an utter crock of bullshit I want to know and I will use that information to form an opinion on that person and most likely the party they represent.

We aren't talking about opinion pieces here which always come with political baggage, we are talking about yes/no beliefs. Does someone believe something yes or no.

It doesn't matter who reports it because the answer yes they believe a woman can have a penis will be the same whether it is printed in the Daily Mail or the Guardian.

Am I? What was your point? That conservatives are hatching a nefarious plot to let people know what MPs think on a matter that many people care about?

Why wouldn't you want to know what potential MPs actually believe?

Who, I wonder, would like that fudged, disguised, hidden?

Hmmmmmmm?

@AdamRyan I absolutely do care if my MP thinks that women can have a penis, because if they believe that then they also believe that Trans Women should be allowed in women's sport, and womens refuges, and women's rape crisis therapy, and women's prisons, and women's psychiatric facilities, and women's open plan changing rooms, and women's awards and women's scholarship programmes.......

To be explicitly and completely clear. Males (the traditional meaning defined by having a Y chromosome and the capacity to produce sperm), are not and can never become Female and should not be allowed to gain access to Female categories and spaces.

I want an MP who understands that to allow Males to take Female places is to discriminate against the sex category Female.

I also fucking hate how I have to write this kind of thing now to avoid the use of the word Woman, because it has been usurped and given new meaning.

I've used male names on here for years with no issue until recently
I am currently named after a character in one of my favourite books

You are in a minority in voting directly for an MP closely aligned to your views. Most voters don't bother is what i meant. Not you are in a minority politically. I have no idea what your political views are.

Anyway clearly touched a nerve hadn't realised FWR was so far gone that using a male name and posting a different opinion would cause so much consternation.

I've posted on here for about 15 years and have no intention of "trotting off" anywhere just because FWR has become more about trans issues and less about feminism. Who do you think you are? The board police?

I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm saying this "name and shame" movement doesn't stand up to any form of scrutiny.

I LOVE this!

Great plan.

Also to have hustings in every constituency

Is that what I said anywhere?
And did I say I wanted less free speech?
I don't think I did.

We've crossed paths before so I know you very much enjoy trying to make out I'm some kind of labour paid shill male, even though I'm a middle aged centre of the road voter. I can't even be bothered today so I'm not replying further.

No one needs to be ‘very careful’

If pp want to avoid it. Go for it

Those of us that don’t get freaked out by a direct question and answer, all good.

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