Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?

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https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

Yes this is the feminism board. Paul Embery clipped it but I wonder if anyone saw it in full? He says the piece was about the impact of soaring water bills on an everyday mother. The voiceover calls the person a customer but the customer calls themself a mum. On the Twitter thread someone points out that the customer works for the TUC and is an economist who has been published in the Guardian. I think it’s fair to say the customer is neither a mother nor an ‘everyday’ one.

Just to point out, your insistence that only this ‘legal definition’ be used is not just batshit in a discussion about general conversation and not a legal case, it is also incorrect to claim that only people who meet that definition are mothers under the law.

Agree , it's was a news item completely filled with bullshit ,virtue signaling.

No, it's not cisgender woman, just woman.

We have plodded along for thousands of years just being called woman and it is not for you and a small minority to change it.

Abso fucking lutly agree.

You posted the legal definition and then declared it was no-one elses to give away. I.e. it's only those who meet the legal definition who get to decide who is a mother. Which is patently incorrect.

That is a male role playing. It's not a game I will be joining in with, as it's fantastically disrespectful to women.

How strange. I’ve said the opposite of that?

That was in response to a poster in the other thread @Flickersy. I'm sorry I've confused you.

This is ever so odd. I haven’t said this at all, you know?

Nice and simple - mother = female parent.

@Flickersy - do you think males can be mothers?

Nice and simple - mother = female parent

Exactly,
you could then specify:
Biological parent
Adoptive parent
Step-parent
In-law parent

If they are female, they are mothers
if they are male, they are fathers

The shocking thing is how ITV are quite happy to put someone on who is the climate change lead at the TUC and has been on TV before as a taking head. They are not just an ordinary customer of Thames Water and their background and political views should be made clear and declared up front. The other stuff is additionally undermining of anything they are saying.

It's all lies. Shameful and a total waste of airtime as it's not even effective propaganda!

You didn't, another poster did. You then decided to join in. If you read the thread you'll see.

No, but I shouldn't have to parrot certain mantras to be taken seriously. This is MN, not stonewall.

I see beautifully.

Apparently not, if you're confused about the thrust of the conversation.

I can see clearly how the thread has gone
I can see all obstinacy in my way

Oh TeaKlaxon. I am not dictating. I am describing reality.
The words for Mother and Father are old as the hills in any language.

Mother is the woman, the female.
Father is the man, the male.

It is a lie for any parent to try to change this extremely basal fact for small children. But of course, despite apparently being an actual nazi, I am not going to barge into anyones home and demand at gunpoint what they tell their children to call themselves.
I will, However, point out basic facts here on Mumsnet.

A man can never be a mother. A woman can never be a father. Doesn't matter what clothes they wear, what legal documents say is their current sex, what toilet and changing room facilities they use.

If a man, the kind that are born male, states they are a woman or a mother then that man is a liar.

Oh TeaKlaxon. I am not dictating. I am describing reality.
The words for Mother and Father are old as the hills in any language.

Mother is the woman, the female.
Father is the man, the male.

It is a lie for any parent to try to change this extremely basal fact for small children. But of course, despite apparently being an actual nazi, I am not going to barge into anyones home and demand at gunpoint what they tell their children to call themselves.
I will, However, point out basic facts here on Mumsnet.

I bet they did it on purpose so people would focus on the absurdity of a man pretending to be a woman, rather than the rapidly rising cost of living.

Shame on the news item for yet again cutting women out of the conversation. That is what is insulting.

I’m clearly not confused about anything. Biological or otherwise. But I can let what you’re implying go as it’s derailing the thread and is not helpful to the original point.