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Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?

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inkjet · 29/06/2023 10:45

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

Yes this is the feminism board. Paul Embery clipped it but I wonder if anyone saw it in full? He says the piece was about the impact of soaring water bills on an everyday mother. The voiceover calls the person a customer but the customer calls themself a mum. On the Twitter thread someone points out that the customer works for the TUC and is an economist who has been published in the Guardian. I think it’s fair to say the customer is neither a mother nor an ‘everyday’ one.

https://twitter.com/PaulEmbery/status/1674332639921045505

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InvisibleDragon · 04/07/2023 10:41

And here we see male privilege in action. If any woman had half of this nonsense all over their public Twitter feed, they would not still be employed by the TUC.

ArabeIIaScott · 04/07/2023 10:45

TUC still defending this man with his fetishism and support of terrorism?

SmartHome · 04/07/2023 10:49

It's astounding isn't it? We have to be completely anonymously on all forms of SM to avoid being fixed, threatened, sacked, followed, attacked. Yet ALL these queer theory proponents revel in plastering their every thought, every fetish, every transgression all over social media in their own names. It's actually astounding.

Helleofabore · 04/07/2023 11:04

This male person has it all happening! And all seem to revolve around a need to have attention paid to them and to be seen as something that they are not, while being that centre of attention.

SabrinaThwaite · 04/07/2023 11:16

Helleofabore · 04/07/2023 11:04

This male person has it all happening! And all seem to revolve around a need to have attention paid to them and to be seen as something that they are not, while being that centre of attention.

Interesting that they haven’t locked down their Twitter (although their Insta seems to have gone). This person has a lot of easily searchable info online.

RealityFan · 04/07/2023 11:28

I truly believe these stories serve multiple purposes. They're purity tests for the TRA side, as well as deliberate triggers for the rest of us.

Remember, herd mentality and purity spirals amongst the elites is most potent when the test is most extreme or radical.

The Canadian school teacher with mutant sized bust and erect nipples? How many on the TRA side, or even elites/elected officials, ever called this out?

This story strikes me as similar. Those in the TRA trenches will keep digging.

Those on the outside will continue to be triggered, until the next story comes along.

Thus we go on to the expanding of the Overton Window, the breaking of socially agreed boundaries. People on Twitter literally claiming this is all very much a muchness, historical examples of babies being saved via male anatomy breastfeeding, the likes of Ash Sarkar claiming this is a red meat transphobic crusade against a caring woman and mother.

So the narrative will go from public humiliation of gays and POC thru the ages, right up to the 90s, followed by societal acceptance of non discrimination and equal rights.

This Mika story is being framed by the activists as the phobic hate that was unleashed on black men who wanted to marry white daughters, gays who wanted freedom to marry and adopt children.

The narrative is that the firestorm against Mika, and Dylan Mulvaney before, is endemic of transphobic culture, and that the arrow of history is towards a trans liberation and equal rights future, where gender is absolutely fluid, and episodes like Mika will be commonplace, accepted, not even noticed.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/07/2023 11:31

Yes, great post RealityFan. This is exactly it. People are being conditioned.

Boiledbeetle · 04/07/2023 11:31

So first image was from the other day the second someone took a couple of hours ago

People are obviously not impressed. 33 million views 1390 likes.

Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?
Did anyone see the ITV News piece about of water bills on customers?
Helleofabore · 04/07/2023 11:55

SabrinaThwaite · 04/07/2023 11:16

Interesting that they haven’t locked down their Twitter (although their Insta seems to have gone). This person has a lot of easily searchable info online.

Ahhh.. but Sabrina this person wants any attention. Why else would they be posting about nipple clamps? Why else would they be posting the breastfeeding image that they did?

Their entire life looks to be about the attention they get from looking at their feed.

SabrinaThwaite · 04/07/2023 11:58

Yes Helleofabore. It’s strange how women get hounded and have to lock everything down and worry about people finding their home address but this person seems to need to be very public about everything.

RealityFan · 04/07/2023 12:03

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/07/2023 11:31

Yes, great post RealityFan. This is exactly it. People are being conditioned.

Whether we're being conditioned actively, I'm still not sure. Or more accurately, despite the evidence, I don't want to believe it.

My wandering mind is thinking that if social media had existed in the 80s and 90s at the height of the Satanic Abuse scandals and Recovered Memories fake panics, and Assisted Handwriting scams, or the 00s where eating disorders, cutting and self harm were so prevalent, would these phenomena have developed mutant energy to become dominating lifestyles and IDs and victims/victim mentality?

I think social media firestorms and media/elites opinion forming could well have meant that there would have been exponential increased levels of fake diagnoses and personalities and victims, and the rest of us again would have been in imminent danger of being trashed for holding the skeptical (ie common sense) fort.

turbonerd · 04/07/2023 14:14

Nipple clamps

checking you can tug real hard

Just great. Sounds like a swell guy to have around the house. Really good at doing the dishes and the oh so dainty laundry too.
what’s not to like?

I know far too much about fetishes now, and I really wish I didn’t. However, it’s a good job YOU LOT here pointing out the tendencies because I suspect many of us are just far too naive.
And had hoped to stay that way.

dimorphism · 04/07/2023 14:56

InvisibleDragon · 04/07/2023 10:41

And here we see male privilege in action. If any woman had half of this nonsense all over their public Twitter feed, they would not still be employed by the TUC.

Yes, this.

I'm really concerned about the baby. It's not ok for adult men to use babies for validation (at best) - adults using children as tools for validation is IIRC actually in the definition of abuse in Keeping Children Safe in Education (in the emotional abuse definition) which is the statutory safeguarding guidance for schools.

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 04/07/2023 15:46

Did no medical professionals ever question the situation? It was stated in the caption they were stopping feeding because of cancer returning. Didn’t the consultant, nurse, doctor, health visitor or someone question how a man was feeding a baby? Did nobody flag up the wisdom of cancer drugs (historic drugs) and feeding a child? What is the protocol with breastfeeding after a course of cancer treatment? How long after do they advise waiting? Am assuming a mother would be told all of this?Did not the very inclusive NHS have a conversation with him? Did not the penny drop that there had to be other medications involved for a man to be feeding a baby himself? Did they not think to raise this as a concern? Am sure if a mother was using medications to induce breastfeeding which were self-prescribed then other agencies would be alerted.

00100001 · 04/07/2023 16:10

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 04/07/2023 15:46

Did no medical professionals ever question the situation? It was stated in the caption they were stopping feeding because of cancer returning. Didn’t the consultant, nurse, doctor, health visitor or someone question how a man was feeding a baby? Did nobody flag up the wisdom of cancer drugs (historic drugs) and feeding a child? What is the protocol with breastfeeding after a course of cancer treatment? How long after do they advise waiting? Am assuming a mother would be told all of this?Did not the very inclusive NHS have a conversation with him? Did not the penny drop that there had to be other medications involved for a man to be feeding a baby himself? Did they not think to raise this as a concern? Am sure if a mother was using medications to induce breastfeeding which were self-prescribed then other agencies would be alerted.

I'll bet there were no medical professionals involved in this farce

IwantToRetire · 04/07/2023 17:18

I think it's up to other people to chose the language they're most comfortable with when choosing to swear.

You can and I can tell you I think it despicable that on a feminist forum, the best insulat someone can come up with is one that indicates women's bodily parts are the worst thing every.

To you not understand how contradictory that is and how totally insulting to women.

Try and use you imagination and come up with a more relevant description of saying a man is a piece of shit.

Not allow the men in your head to make instinctively use misogynistic lanauge.

Or maybe you agree that femaleness is the worse thing in the world.

CandyLeBonBon · 04/07/2023 22:05

IwantToRetire · 04/07/2023 17:18

I think it's up to other people to chose the language they're most comfortable with when choosing to swear.

You can and I can tell you I think it despicable that on a feminist forum, the best insulat someone can come up with is one that indicates women's bodily parts are the worst thing every.

To you not understand how contradictory that is and how totally insulting to women.

Try and use you imagination and come up with a more relevant description of saying a man is a piece of shit.

Not allow the men in your head to make instinctively use misogynistic lanauge.

Or maybe you agree that femaleness is the worse thing in the world.

Here's the thing. I've been perfectly respectful in my comment to you, but you now seem to be suggesting I lack imagination and your comments are getting personal.

You don't have to like the language she used, but you don't get to compel others to use 'feminist approved speech' either.

And for the record, I didn't say it, I was defending someone else's right to swear as they see fit.

If you have a problem with that, report me to mnhq.

Otherwise wind your neck in.

IwantToRetire · 05/07/2023 00:07

And I'm defending my right to expect on a feminist thread that after posters dont use misogynistic language.

Would have been more interested if the original poster and you as defending the right to insult women think using this word is (1) the most apt and descriptive way to depict a male who is trying to erase women and (2) dont care if other women are offended by having their anatomy depicted as the lowest of the low.

Boiledbeetle · 05/07/2023 00:40

Given that i actually agreed with the comment in question. Meh! I won't have my speech or my choice of words policed. I'll call men cunts and women cocks if the situation feels right. I understand other posters have different standards, that's their choice to make. This is mine.

SabrinaThwaite · 05/07/2023 01:08

It’s a very MN word. As in “off you pop cunty chops”.

It doesn’t need policing.

IwantToRetire · 05/07/2023 17:05

It’s a very MN word

Who says?

This is the sort of remark that illustrates how making FWR a forum for a single issue means that it loses and often lacks connections with basic feminist principles.

Really good to know that so many posters on FWR are so happy to rely on male culture to express themselves, at the expense of respect for women.

So (some) MNers is happily misogynistic?

Good to know.

Ourladycheesusedatum · 05/07/2023 17:32

Gobbolinothekitchencat · 04/07/2023 15:46

Did no medical professionals ever question the situation? It was stated in the caption they were stopping feeding because of cancer returning. Didn’t the consultant, nurse, doctor, health visitor or someone question how a man was feeding a baby? Did nobody flag up the wisdom of cancer drugs (historic drugs) and feeding a child? What is the protocol with breastfeeding after a course of cancer treatment? How long after do they advise waiting? Am assuming a mother would be told all of this?Did not the very inclusive NHS have a conversation with him? Did not the penny drop that there had to be other medications involved for a man to be feeding a baby himself? Did they not think to raise this as a concern? Am sure if a mother was using medications to induce breastfeeding which were self-prescribed then other agencies would be alerted.

I think I'm right in saying the mantra goes
TWAW

anything other than full acceptance is futile and will bring harm upon you.

So yeah assuming he took the drugs to produce milk (press x to doubt) then theres nothing to see here, just a lovely mummy feeding her child.

Bluergh

CandyLeBonBon · 05/07/2023 17:59

IwantToRetire · 05/07/2023 00:07

And I'm defending my right to expect on a feminist thread that after posters dont use misogynistic language.

Would have been more interested if the original poster and you as defending the right to insult women think using this word is (1) the most apt and descriptive way to depict a male who is trying to erase women and (2) dont care if other women are offended by having their anatomy depicted as the lowest of the low.

Well you can be offended all you like. You have no right to expect others to tailor their language on your say so. Some might, others won't.

Them's the breaks. Your offense has been duly noted. I find Roy chubby Brown, Pistonheads and Love Island offensive, so I choose not to watch them. You can also choose not to engage on a forum which you know to be quite sweary, no?

Whatthechicken · 05/07/2023 20:20

Even if, for arguments sake transwomen could induce lactation and feed a baby (stick with me), but that it has to be induced with chemicals (and so many, because they are biologically not supposed to do that). Why the fuck would anyone still go ahead and do it? I just can’t get my head around someone doing that, knowing they’ve ingested so many chemicals and could pass onto the baby. Not when there are so many viable other options readily available. I’ve tried to debate this with some supporters of males breastfeeding, but it is just ignored. The sheer entitlement, lack of empathy, lack of worry for the infant is just bloody terrifying and really upsetting.

ChineseFakeaway · 05/07/2023 21:53

Whatthechicken · 05/07/2023 20:20

Even if, for arguments sake transwomen could induce lactation and feed a baby (stick with me), but that it has to be induced with chemicals (and so many, because they are biologically not supposed to do that). Why the fuck would anyone still go ahead and do it? I just can’t get my head around someone doing that, knowing they’ve ingested so many chemicals and could pass onto the baby. Not when there are so many viable other options readily available. I’ve tried to debate this with some supporters of males breastfeeding, but it is just ignored. The sheer entitlement, lack of empathy, lack of worry for the infant is just bloody terrifying and really upsetting.

It’s weird huh? When I think about all the hoops I had to jump through just to get a filling while breastfeeding.

But then, I’m a woman 🤷‍♀️

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