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A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2

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Boiledbeetle · 29/05/2023 23:25

Thread 1:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4776556-a-mumsnet-thread-about-a-book-about-a-mumsnet-thread-under-the-duvet-of-darkness-written-by-the-women-of-mumsnet?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

You do not need to have read thread 1 – this is not that sort of thread.

But to recap… Over Christmas and New Year after the passing of the GRR (Scotland) Bill a thread was started with a poem about Nicola Sturgeon. Eventually on that thread (and a couple of other threads) over 80 poems were written.

“Under the Duvet of Darkness: Poems written by angry women for angry women because WOMEN WON’T WHEESHT” was published as a paperback on 31st March 2023.

Available on Amazon only: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C129WKDD

In a rather bizarre turn of events at one point it reached No 2 in poetry best sellers and No 5 in Feminist Criticism best sellers. No one will be surprised to discover that a book that is in the main about people, especially men, claiming to be something they are not was kept off the No1 spot in poetry best sellers by a crime novel, identifying as poetry, written by a man ;-)

E-BOOK:

Some people wanted an e-book rather than a paperback, but for that we needed someone who could actually make an e-book and some extra poems.

FairyKindleMother came to the rescue with regards the e-book and posters wrote enough poems that we could add 20 more poems into the e-book.

I pressed publish on the e-book a few hours ago. It can take usually up to 3 days to appear and populate all the info etc on the various sites, and there is always the chance they knock it back for some reason. But I've done all I can do at this point. We just have to wait and see who spots it on sale first! It will appear on the Amazon link above hopefully soon, (or I'll get an email asking me to change something).

MONEY FROM SALES OF ALL FORMATS:

In honour of Magdalen Berns, who co-founded the Scottish campaign group For Women Scotland, 100% of the profit from the sale of this book will be donated to For Women Scotland.

“It’s not hate to defend your rights, and it’s not hate to speak the truth.”
Magdalen Berns (1983 – 2019)

As I started work on the e-book posters continued to write poems. So we had a choice: leave them there, languishing on the thread, unloved, forgotten, never to have their words uttered again OR we could just do volume 2.

Posters voted for Volume 2 but we still need more poems!

And that’s the gist of thread 1.

A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
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ArcaneWireless · 03/10/2023 09:50
Happy I Love You GIF by AshleyBlanchette

I will leave it in your capable hands. I am in no position to be editing.

Still floating 🥰

IcakethereforeIam · 03/10/2023 09:58
angry desperate housewives GIF

I know how to get her down!

ArcaneWireless · 03/10/2023 10:13
missile GIF

Gonna need a bigger weapon

IcakethereforeIam · 03/10/2023 10:22

Okay then, heh heh!

RealFeminist · 03/10/2023 10:33

AHVE NO GOAT ANY FUCKEN PMS

Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 10:38

RealFeminist · 03/10/2023 10:33

AHVE NO GOAT ANY FUCKEN PMS

Trust me you don't want to know what was said about you in the conversation I relayed to Arcane via PM!

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Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 10:49

sits at desk.

Switchs chair shiatsu massager on.

ow ow ahhhhhhh ow ahhh ow ahhhhh.

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Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 10:59

Presses heat button.

mmmmmmmm

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Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 11:28

@RealFeminist

can anyone put their hands on the Feminist to my fingertips quote from Nicola - ie when and where did she say it.

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Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 11:34

also whilst im at it,

I need a pithy comment (short it needs to be a chapter title) along with who said it and when etc for (for now anyway)

when the cycling rules changed

something TRA related

single sex related

do not have to be comments, could be poem titles, or even book titles, can be from now, or from any time in history. can be well known or not. all suggestions welcome

BUT must have been from a woman.

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howdoesatoastermaketoast · 03/10/2023 11:39

Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 11:28

@RealFeminist

can anyone put their hands on the Feminist to my fingertips quote from Nicola - ie when and where did she say it.

according to this 2022 article she said it 'last year' so that would narrow it down to 2021
https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20108351.nicola-sturgeon-refuses-define-woman/

Sturgeon refuses to define what a 'woman' is

NICOLA Sturgeon has come under fire after refusing to define what a woman is.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20108351.nicola-sturgeon-refuses-define-woman

RealFeminist · 03/10/2023 11:46

STOP GOAN ON ABOOT FINGERS

ArcaneWireless · 03/10/2023 11:47

Cycling

“Fiona McAnena from Fair Play For Women told BBC Radio 4's World at One she was "concerned about all the women and girls who need to know that sport will be fair so I think an open category is a great solution because it doesn't negate anyone's identity…[and] the female category can be protected."

Sport will be fair

even if one has to burn some bridges

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 03/10/2023 11:47

sorry x-post @ArcaneWireless

ArcaneWireless · 03/10/2023 11:49

Nae worries. Better two cracks at it than none 😉

Should I no mention cracks either REAL FEMINIST? 😉😘

Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 11:50

having witnessed the terrible state of Glasgow's streets on Saturday i would like to have a few words with Nicola - i spent a lot of time marveling at the cracks and potholes large enough to swallow a baby elephant!

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Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 11:51

and thank for the above posts any more that spring to mind im all ears. (all eyes doesn't seem right even though im reading and not listening!)

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RealFeminist · 03/10/2023 11:56

THATS JIST SCOTLANDS NATURAL RUGGED LANDSCAPE

Boiledbeetle · 03/10/2023 12:28

ArcaneWireless · 03/10/2023 11:47

Cycling

“Fiona McAnena from Fair Play For Women told BBC Radio 4's World at One she was "concerned about all the women and girls who need to know that sport will be fair so I think an open category is a great solution because it doesn't negate anyone's identity…[and] the female category can be protected."

Sport will be fair

even if one has to burn some bridges

smirks! you are naughty!

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howdoesatoastermaketoast · 03/10/2023 13:17

“One consequence of opening women's spaces to males is to recast two common male sex crimes as rights. Exhibitionism - non-consensually displaying one's genitals - is so common that many women will tell you that the first time they saw a penis was when a stranger flashed them. Voyeurism - non-consensually viewing someone in a state of undress - is known to be a precursor to contact sex crimes. Entering a changing room constitutes consent to see and be seen by the other occupants while undressed. Women grant that consent on the basis that those occupants will be female; gender self-identification removes that basis while denying that it does so. It therefore turns facilities intended for women into places where males can commit exhibitionism and voyeurism with impunity.”
― Helen Joyce, Trans: When Ideology Meets Reality

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 03/10/2023 13:19

" Being forced to undress, wash, share sleeping accommodation or have personal care with a person of the opposite sex without your consent is degrading. Single-sex services should be clear."

Sex matters website

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 03/10/2023 13:22

“Transactivists try to liken single sex spaces and services to racial segregation or discrimination based on sexual orientation, but that is a false equivalent. Men being violent towards women is a well documented problem in our society. We have no evidence that people of certain races or sexual orientations are more dangerous than others. Therefore, a woman requesting a female doctor is both reasonable and justified in light of male pattern violence, while discrimination against a lesbian or a black doctor would clearly be wrong.”
― Isidora Sanger, Born in the Right Body: Gender Identity Ideology From a Medical and Feminist Perspective

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