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A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2

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Boiledbeetle · 29/05/2023 23:25

Thread 1:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4776556-a-mumsnet-thread-about-a-book-about-a-mumsnet-thread-under-the-duvet-of-darkness-written-by-the-women-of-mumsnet?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

You do not need to have read thread 1 – this is not that sort of thread.

But to recap… Over Christmas and New Year after the passing of the GRR (Scotland) Bill a thread was started with a poem about Nicola Sturgeon. Eventually on that thread (and a couple of other threads) over 80 poems were written.

“Under the Duvet of Darkness: Poems written by angry women for angry women because WOMEN WON’T WHEESHT” was published as a paperback on 31st March 2023.

Available on Amazon only: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C129WKDD

In a rather bizarre turn of events at one point it reached No 2 in poetry best sellers and No 5 in Feminist Criticism best sellers. No one will be surprised to discover that a book that is in the main about people, especially men, claiming to be something they are not was kept off the No1 spot in poetry best sellers by a crime novel, identifying as poetry, written by a man ;-)

E-BOOK:

Some people wanted an e-book rather than a paperback, but for that we needed someone who could actually make an e-book and some extra poems.

FairyKindleMother came to the rescue with regards the e-book and posters wrote enough poems that we could add 20 more poems into the e-book.

I pressed publish on the e-book a few hours ago. It can take usually up to 3 days to appear and populate all the info etc on the various sites, and there is always the chance they knock it back for some reason. But I've done all I can do at this point. We just have to wait and see who spots it on sale first! It will appear on the Amazon link above hopefully soon, (or I'll get an email asking me to change something).

MONEY FROM SALES OF ALL FORMATS:

In honour of Magdalen Berns, who co-founded the Scottish campaign group For Women Scotland, 100% of the profit from the sale of this book will be donated to For Women Scotland.

“It’s not hate to defend your rights, and it’s not hate to speak the truth.”
Magdalen Berns (1983 – 2019)

As I started work on the e-book posters continued to write poems. So we had a choice: leave them there, languishing on the thread, unloved, forgotten, never to have their words uttered again OR we could just do volume 2.

Posters voted for Volume 2 but we still need more poems!

And that’s the gist of thread 1.

A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
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UrinaryLeash · 26/06/2023 13:12

Middle of the night

I awoke last night from a nightmare,
in something of a tizz.
I’d wanted to use the loo,
just with the hers and not the his.
I was relieved to find when I awoke
that I was home alone.
There was no one to genuflect to,
or make sure I atone
for the crime of wrongthink
when it comes to toilet choice.
Because in public, as with many things,
us women have no voice.

Boiledbeetle · 27/06/2023 21:16

September 2023. Just sticking this here so I'm not trying to find it at the point when i have to turn all this into something

Should be interesting.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/judge-said-men-could-become-163019750.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXVtc25ldC5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIt01O6TcLmUSJ3AuhzB_hTKvKYjDld13Rri3xwTrP_1DPCeoiXP3FySaZ9cwq3exWPnR9YzVQb0zLQqQIsSbadNe0w0pPOC4lKFWoMtg72mITN2rKfh3B72Cz12yyfc1xCarPd9wzDQ7-7EJmIkqjmoHg5dWP7jJ3UPP_alY43z

Judge who said men could become fully legal women will rule on Scotland gender self-ID law

A judge who ruled that biological men can legally become women is to preside over a court showdown between the UK and Scottish governments over Nicola Sturgeon’s self-ID gender laws.

https://uk.style.yahoo.com/judge-said-men-could-become-163019750.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cubXVtc25ldC5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAIt01O6TcLmUSJ3AuhzB_hTKvKYjDld13Rri3xwTrP_1DPCeoiXP3FySaZ9cwq3exWPnR9YzVQb0zLQqQIsSbadNe0w0pPOC4lKFWoMtg72mITN2rKfh3B72Cz12yyfc1xCarPd9wzDQ7-7EJmIkqjmoHg5dWP7jJ3UPP_alY43z

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Boiledbeetle · 28/06/2023 22:05

The women of Florida are about to discover poetry about Scottish Politics... God knows what they are going to make of it mind!

A lovely woman bought four copies and is putting three in the lil libraries for people to take!

Such fun!

A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
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TheBiologyStupid · 28/06/2023 22:16

Wow - the reaction of unsuspecting Floridians could be interesting...!

Boiledbeetle · 28/06/2023 22:40

@TheBiologyStupid I know can you imagine the confusion if they don't read the introduction!

The merkins chapter will confuse the hell out of them!

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Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2023 15:56

Just adding Maya's 100K tweet for posterity!

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ArcaneWireless · 30/06/2023 16:15

A fadge, a fanny, a minnie, a foof
A clunge, a slit, a muff or a moof
A lulu, a minge, a vag or a nuun
A growler, a fairy, a Mary, poon-poon

A front bum, a cunt, a flower, vagina
A flutey, a chutey, or just plain auld Gynah
There are plenty of words, you know it is true
For your pipe or your hole, your fluff or your flue.

Be inclusive, be kind, you’ve heard that is best
I agree to a point then am put to the test
For today I have heard of a new little name
It conquered, it saw, it came- what a shame.

A bonus hole of all things, we thought it meant arse
But it doesn’t and you know it is part of that farce.

I suppose it was coined by a prince amongst men
For the women that I know don’t have one of them.

Bowednotbroken · 30/06/2023 16:53

The fear

The fear:
That the man in the dress
Turns up here
To wash my privates
And ignore my wishes
And my stated preferences
Because his feelings are more important
Than my fear.

Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2023 16:56

@ArcaneWireless oh thank God i was hoping someone would come up with a bonus hole poem! Just Wonderful!

And aren't there a lot of words for a woman's womanly bonus hole!

Last day of PRIDE month! Last day we have to see photos of naked men with erect penises as little girls walk by or men in y fronts twerking In front of little kids In the name of inclusion

Publicly
Rejoicing
In
Deviant
Exhibitionism

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Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2023 16:58

And another poem sneaks in whilst I was trying to bold PRIDE!

Thank you@Bowednotbroken

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SinnerBoy · 30/06/2023 17:19

It is against the law to discriminate against someone because of their gender identity.

They may wish to re-word that.

Intersex – An umbrella term describing people born with reproductive or sexual anatomy and/or a chromosome pattern that can't be classified as typically male or female.

Rubbish. And the non-offensive term is DSD, as they should know.

Sex – A label assigned at birth...

For goodness sake!

They're not doing very well on the factual side of things, are they?

Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2023 22:09

June totals.....
81 books of which:
21 e-books
60 paperbacks
Royalties £237.20

(although the cost of printing has now changed since 20th June and as I don't want to increase the price of the book I'll pay the difference which is 15p out of my pocket this month!)

Actual payment will be £237.35
Made up of:
Ebooks £87.36
Paperbacks £149.84

I shall make the payment in the morning (just in case we have a last minute sale tonight!)

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Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2023 22:13

Total totals
420 books:

399 paperbacks
21 e-books

Total raised £1,085.20 (my figures are never going to match the dashboard figures now!)

A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
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ArcaneWireless · 30/06/2023 22:46

Brava. 👏🏼 😊

RealFeminist · 30/06/2023 23:04

SUPERB THAT BEETLE

TheBiologyStupid · 30/06/2023 23:21

Brilliant! FWS look like they're going to need the cash, sadly.

Boiledbeetle · 30/06/2023 23:40

Someone has bought then got rid of their copy!! How very dare they! Some chancer bookseller is trying to sell a used copy for £20!

And we are up to 38 reviews.

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Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 11:43

An e-book sale slipped in late last night so June's total is actually 82 sales and £241.41 royalties.

I've made the June payment to For Women Scotland. Payment proof attached.

Plus a sale early today means we have now sold 22 e-books and exactly 400 paperbacks!

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SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 12:37

👍

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 12:55

SinnerBoy · 30/06/2023 17:19

It is against the law to discriminate against someone because of their gender identity.

They may wish to re-word that.

Intersex – An umbrella term describing people born with reproductive or sexual anatomy and/or a chromosome pattern that can't be classified as typically male or female.

Rubbish. And the non-offensive term is DSD, as they should know.

Sex – A label assigned at birth...

For goodness sake!

They're not doing very well on the factual side of things, are they?

Now I've finished with the stats and money I can get back to this.

It's appalling isn't it. I mean for Christ sake when is this mangling of the English language and laws going to stop.

They are doing more harm than good at this point by pissing just about everyone off!

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SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 13:03

They are doing more harm than good at this point by pissing just about everyone off!

Tragically, they and other organisations spout utter rubbish like that and normal people read it and believe it to be accurate. It's very damaging, even if more and more people are becoming aware of the subject and the issues concerning it. Really, any responsible organisation, company, or spokesperson should have a statutory responsibility to put out accurate, legally correct statements and make any corrections quickly.

hang on a mo...

Nope, I've turned blue.

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 13:23

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 13:03

They are doing more harm than good at this point by pissing just about everyone off!

Tragically, they and other organisations spout utter rubbish like that and normal people read it and believe it to be accurate. It's very damaging, even if more and more people are becoming aware of the subject and the issues concerning it. Really, any responsible organisation, company, or spokesperson should have a statutory responsibility to put out accurate, legally correct statements and make any corrections quickly.

hang on a mo...

Nope, I've turned blue.

And breathe as you'll be waiting a long time!

Unless you are currently just identifying as a Smurf then as you were!

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SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 13:27

Where are we all coming from?

Plastic factories in Hong Kong!

Sorry, minor blast from the past....

Boiledbeetle · 01/07/2023 13:41

SinnerBoy · 01/07/2023 13:27

Where are we all coming from?

Plastic factories in Hong Kong!

Sorry, minor blast from the past....

I still have my copy!

I will admit I did like the song beer beer smurfing beer but I had it in german so I only really remember that version!

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