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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The man Isla Bryson

102 replies

caramac04 · 28/02/2023 10:57

Has been jailed for 8 years for the 2 rapes
Where will he serve his sentence

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ScrollingLeaves · 28/02/2023 14:10

lechiffre55 · Today 11:02
According to these guidelines rape should be 4 – 19 years’ custody. So this means for 2 rapes he's getting two absolute minimum terms, which seems excessivly lenient consider he's got two rapes under his belt already.
www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/rape/

Do you mean he has committed rape four times altogether?

Chrimbob · 28/02/2023 14:33

The Guardian helpfully tells us that he was still a man when he raped those two women.

ArabellaScott · 28/02/2023 14:40

FusionChefGeoff · 28/02/2023 12:54

The BBC report does actually use one pronoun and it's 'he'!!

"The trial heard that Bryson, from Clydebank, had preyed on vulnerable women who he met online."

So the BBC will misgender when it suits them? How absurd.

LizzieSiddal · 28/02/2023 14:40

@Chrimbob thank goodness for the Guardian! We’d never have worked that out for ourselves!

I wonder if the “mental health issues and Nuer o dive diversity” will be picked up. We’ve been deleted here and called transphobes for wanting to discuss such things in the past.

nilsmousehammer · 28/02/2023 15:11

Fairly seriously pissed off at the suggestion that those with Dylexia and ADHD are apparently seen as understandably more likely to violently rape people....?!

Fgs, no . The massive, MASSIVE majority of people living with those needs manage just fine to live with their needs without destroying people's lives, it is not a neurodiverse thing. It is a fucking arsehole thing.

tobee · 28/02/2023 15:15

Otoh spot the difference between these two online reports from BBC News and Sky News:-

Isla Bryson: Transgender rapist jailed for eight years www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64796926

news.sky.com/story/transgender-rapist-isla-bryson-jailed-for-eight-years-for-attacks-on-two-women-when-she-was-a-man-12821513

tobee · 28/02/2023 15:18

Reading the articles I think everyone should be referring to him as Adam Bryson. Although I can understand that, for ease of recognition, people will remember the name Isla Bryson. And it also clearly underlines the ridiculousness of the whole thing.

tobee · 28/02/2023 15:19

Ridiculous and dangerous

Terrribletwos · 28/02/2023 15:23

It should have been a longer sentence considering past crimes, I expect this will be extended.

What I don't understand is why him and others (there's more) are not sent to psychiatric care rather than general population prison??

Terrribletwos · 28/02/2023 15:27

And, I don't actually mean cos he is trans, as that wouldn't mean a de facto reason, but paedophiles also that are sent to prison, why aren't they sent to psychiatric hospital?

lechiffre55 · 28/02/2023 15:29

ScrollingLeaves · 28/02/2023 14:10

lechiffre55 · Today 11:02
According to these guidelines rape should be 4 – 19 years’ custody. So this means for 2 rapes he's getting two absolute minimum terms, which seems excessivly lenient consider he's got two rapes under his belt already.
www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/rape/

Do you mean he has committed rape four times altogether?

No I phrased that very poorly sorry.
2 rapes total ( that we know of )

MinistryMelody · 28/02/2023 15:55

Another snip from current BBC article saying "he"

The man Isla Bryson
MinistryMelody · 28/02/2023 15:57

But they've taken out the "he" shown in the op above! It's like whack-a-mole.

The man Isla Bryson
MinistryMelody · 28/02/2023 15:58

*pp not op

caramac04 · 28/02/2023 16:34

I’m not against genuine trans people but only a man can rape someone using their penis. Only a man.

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GarveySister · 28/02/2023 16:40

A very light sentence for this man, who is clearly a danger to women.

Walrussy · 28/02/2023 16:46

The judge even says he has a high chance of reoffending.

Notreallythatfussed · 28/02/2023 16:48

At the point Bryson committed the crimes
They hadn't transitioned hence the use
Of different pronouns when reporting on different points in the chronology

Timingiseverythingcoll · 28/02/2023 16:54

8 years for TWO tapes is woefully inadequate.

Kendodd · 28/02/2023 17:00

This man is clearly dangerous to women and to think he could be out in four years is wrong imo.
He was certainly dangerous to Nicola sturgeon.

InvisibleDragon · 28/02/2023 17:39

Terribletwos

The short answer is because being an arsehole isn't a mental illness. And there isn't any treatment that can cure being an arsehole.

The slightly longer version is that it doesn't appear that he had any diagnosed mental health conditions that would have affected his judgement when he committed the rapes.

SinnerBoy · 28/02/2023 17:41

GarveySister · Today 16:40

A very light sentence for this man, who is clearly a danger to women.

Yes, I agree, but judges can't always give the sentence they might think appropriate, because a longer sentence can be appealed. They follow sentencing guidelines and give similar terms to those given for similar offences, with any mitigation taken into account.

If he'd been give 12 years, he may well have appealed and got less than what he has now.

WarriorN · 28/02/2023 17:42

Just to note that PM reporting on this in the headlines emphasised the male aspect a lot

WarriorN · 28/02/2023 17:45

They managed to avoided any pronouns however

ScribblingPixie · 28/02/2023 18:27

He was 'they' and 'them' on the BBC1 News at 6.