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Please help! Gender not sex on a school 'protected characteristics' poster, just spoken to the Head!

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Vebrithien · 06/01/2023 09:55

Good morning,

I started this thread before Christmas

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4684558-today-i-found-my-bravery?page=1

The overview is that my DD's primary school is displaying posters by No Outsiders, which are supposed to show the 9 protected characteristics, but shows gender, not sex.

The (male) deputy head I mentioned it to, before Christmas, has not got back to me. The posters are still there.

I summoned up my courage this morning, and spoke to the Headteacher. She seemed surprised, as I said I'd already mentioned it to one deputy head, and that I'd picked up on it due to my school expecting Ofsted, and reissuing our equality training.

The Head said that it was surprising, as No Outsiders were an organisation whose specialism was equalities.

I replied that the EA2010 says sex, not gender. I also mentioned that there were some concerning resources produced by them, including an assembly where a dad wants to offer violence to children who do not accept his trans child. (I know no more than this)

The Head is going to talk to her other deputy head, whose responsibility this is, and to try to put us in contact.

Where do I do from here?

Can any one help me with evidence? What particularly is dodgy about No Outsiders?

Is there anything that states that schools mustn't misrepresent the EA?

Is there any DofE (or whatever it's called now) guidance for schools on the resources they used or how they represent the EA?

And, how should I go about finding out if the school uses other No Outsiders resources?

Please help, I want as much evidence as I can.

Still shaking with adrenaline from speaking to the Head!

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EastLondonObserver · 07/01/2023 11:11

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 07/01/2023 08:49

Do you think the penny might have started to drop here?

This isn't just a site that discusses women's rights. This is a site full of women who have long discussed women's rights, have their own research resources, internal communication patterns, SM language and all sorts of other common intra group behaviours.

In short, we are The Vipers and are far more educated and knowledgeable than the casual MRA twonk imagines.

ELO, step back. Take a seat. You are out of your depth, floundering. Or, as NS hopes, one of us having a laugh!

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Shame this well resourced
‘underground cell’ of Vipers I’ve wondered into, that resides on no less than a part of a parenting website, has been so ineffective in preventing planned legislation in Scotland, and inevitably soon, England.

There is a new generation that reject your hateful bile.

Did you guys all originally meet at Greenham Common per chance?

nilsmousehammer · 07/01/2023 11:12

There is a new generation that reject your hateful bile.

That women should not be raped, excluded and harmed to keep men happy, you mean? That 'hateful bile'? Grin

EastLondonObserver · 07/01/2023 11:12

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 07/01/2023 08:49

Do you think the penny might have started to drop here?

This isn't just a site that discusses women's rights. This is a site full of women who have long discussed women's rights, have their own research resources, internal communication patterns, SM language and all sorts of other common intra group behaviours.

In short, we are The Vipers and are far more educated and knowledgeable than the casual MRA twonk imagines.

ELO, step back. Take a seat. You are out of your depth, floundering. Or, as NS hopes, one of us having a laugh!

Show quote history

Shame this well resourced
‘underground cell’ of Vipers I’ve wondered into, that resides on no less than a part of a parenting website, has been so ineffective in preventing planned legislation in Scotland, and inevitably soon, England.

There is a new generation that reject your hateful bile.

Did you guys all originally meet at Greenham Common per chance?

Original poster
Vebrithien · 07/01/2023 11:13

Keep my powder dry.
Ask neutral questions.
Start slowly.
State the law.
Remind the school of their duty.
Ask more questions.
Provide evidence.
Provide alternative resources.

No explosions.

Got it!

There was a thread I once read, about a woman escaping from her extremely abusive and controlling partner.

She commented at the time she was making her plans, that although terrified, she felt as though she had this army of strong women behind her, willing her on, and it gave her the strength to escape.

This is world's apart, but I know now what she meant. Thank you for the support and wise words.

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FrancescaContini · 07/01/2023 11:13

@EastLondonObserver your last post is gobsmackingly tone deaf, especially your (deliberate?) use of “guys”.

And yes actually I did go to Greenham Common as a teenager. Very positive memories. Are you implying this is something to be ashamed of?

ArabellaScott · 07/01/2023 11:14

Uh-oh, bot malfunction on Aisle Three.

EastLondonObserver · 07/01/2023 11:15

Vebrithien · 07/01/2023 11:13

Keep my powder dry.
Ask neutral questions.
Start slowly.
State the law.
Remind the school of their duty.
Ask more questions.
Provide evidence.
Provide alternative resources.

No explosions.

Got it!

There was a thread I once read, about a woman escaping from her extremely abusive and controlling partner.

She commented at the time she was making her plans, that although terrified, she felt as though she had this army of strong women behind her, willing her on, and it gave her the strength to escape.

This is world's apart, but I know now what she meant. Thank you for the support and wise words.

Whose your next target minority?

FrancescaContini · 07/01/2023 11:18

Oh dear.

Who’s….?

DialSquare · 07/01/2023 11:18

1 in 300 million is a minority.

Boiledbeetle · 07/01/2023 11:19

ArabellaScott · 07/01/2023 11:10

I do believe that EastLondon's suggestion that we repeal the GRA and replace it with

the realities act

is a great idea, though.

I was thinking that
First reality

1 sex is binary and is immutable

Boiledbeetle · 07/01/2023 11:21

She commented at the time she was making her plans, that although terrified, she felt as though she had this army of strong women behind her, willing her on, and it gave her the strength to escape.

@Vebrithien as always just imagine all of us there standing right beside you.

By the power of mumsnet

EastLondonObserver · 07/01/2023 11:21

FrancescaContini · 07/01/2023 11:13

@EastLondonObserver your last post is gobsmackingly tone deaf, especially your (deliberate?) use of “guys”.

And yes actually I did go to Greenham Common as a teenager. Very positive memories. Are you implying this is something to be ashamed of?

Whose your next target minority?

Boiledbeetle · 07/01/2023 11:22

Shouted in the style of by the power of grayskull

ArabellaScott · 07/01/2023 11:23

How do we propose a new Government Act:

The Reality Act

  1. Sex is dichotomous and immutable

I think that'll do, actually.

ArabellaScott · 07/01/2023 11:24

Uh-oh, bot malfunction again. Inc repeated SPAG glitch.

EastLondonObserver · 07/01/2023 11:25

FrancescaContini · 07/01/2023 11:13

@EastLondonObserver your last post is gobsmackingly tone deaf, especially your (deliberate?) use of “guys”.

And yes actually I did go to Greenham Common as a teenager. Very positive memories. Are you implying this is something to be ashamed of?

Nothing to be ashamed of, but I asked as it is telling about the ideological lineage that informs the ideas I’m seeing expressed here.

have a great weekend guys!

Boiledbeetle · 07/01/2023 11:25

ArabellaScott · 07/01/2023 11:14

Uh-oh, bot malfunction on Aisle Three.

It's what happens when your other hand is furiously busy

FrancescaContini · 07/01/2023 11:26

EastLondonObserver · 07/01/2023 11:21

Whose your next target minority?

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Check your SPAG please

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/01/2023 11:26

Did you guys all originally meet at Greenham Common per chance?

Yeah, feminism, lesbian rights and nuclear disarmament, how awful!

DialSquare · 07/01/2023 11:26

EOL - They're a vulnerable minority so be kind you bigots.

Also EOL - I's only a minority of vulnerable women being raped and assaulted so yes, males feelings are more important than the safety and dignity of women.

DialSquare · 07/01/2023 11:27

Obviously that should be ELO!

nilsmousehammer · 07/01/2023 11:27

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/01/2023 11:26

Did you guys all originally meet at Greenham Common per chance?

Yeah, feminism, lesbian rights and nuclear disarmament, how awful!

😂

MRAism. Never gets old, does it?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 07/01/2023 11:28

I’ve wondered into, that resides on no less than a part of a parenting website, has been so ineffective in preventing planned legislation in Scotland, and inevitably soon, England.

The Scottish government is absolutely batshit. No one could prevent them passing any law they wanted to. Be careful what you wish for.

Original poster
Vebrithien · 07/01/2023 11:29

I'm never going to be able to watch Shrek again in the same way 😂

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Helleofabore · 07/01/2023 11:33

EastLondonObserver · 07/01/2023 11:12

Shame this well resourced
‘underground cell’ of Vipers I’ve wondered into, that resides on no less than a part of a parenting website, has been so ineffective in preventing planned legislation in Scotland, and inevitably soon, England.

There is a new generation that reject your hateful bile.

Did you guys all originally meet at Greenham Common per chance?

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Laughing loudly again. Name changing doesn’t change posting patterns.

Anyway, like always, the drivel posted is not even half baked. And incredibly lacks a grasp on reality.

The ‘next generation’ has already started well and truly rejecting ideological thinking. Go and look at the growing number of young women on tik tok posting about Dylan Mulvaney!!!