Please help! Gender not sex on a school 'protected characteristics' poster, just spoken to the Head!

[Vebrithien]

Good morning,

I started this thread before Christmas

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4684558-today-i-found-my-bravery?page=1

The overview is that my DD's primary school is displaying posters by No Outsiders, which are supposed to show the 9 protected characteristics, but shows gender, not sex.

The (male) deputy head I mentioned it to, before Christmas, has not got back to me. The posters are still there.

I summoned up my courage this morning, and spoke to the Headteacher. She seemed surprised, as I said I'd already mentioned it to one deputy head, and that I'd picked up on it due to my school expecting Ofsted, and reissuing our equality training.

The Head said that it was surprising, as No Outsiders were an organisation whose specialism was equalities.

I replied that the EA2010 says sex, not gender. I also mentioned that there were some concerning resources produced by them, including an assembly where a dad wants to offer violence to children who do not accept his trans child. (I know no more than this)

The Head is going to talk to her other deputy head, whose responsibility this is, and to try to put us in contact.

Where do I do from here?

Can any one help me with evidence? What particularly is dodgy about No Outsiders?

Is there anything that states that schools mustn't misrepresent the EA?

Is there any DofE (or whatever it's called now) guidance for schools on the resources they used or how they represent the EA?

And, how should I go about finding out if the school uses other No Outsiders resources?

Please help, I want as much evidence as I can.

Still shaking with adrenaline from speaking to the Head!

Quite. This is really something to behold.

Declining birthrates and all that... greater good y'know.

Unbelievable.

@EastLondonObserver what is the need for having single-sex (or single-gender) spaces in your view? Should we not have them at all?

Uh?

Yep!

There's not really much worth discussing with someone this steeped in lesbophobia, misogyny and just common-or-garden bullshit. Cheery bye.

I too am signing out.

That was just stunning!

As is transsexualism

Basically everyone is running off because no one has a good answer for why if gayness cannot be proven biologically then the fact that gender orientation cannot either should mean there is no issue with recognising self identification in terms of gender.

summat for y’all to mull over on the weekend and hopefully emerge more tolerant people.

Can somebody archive this and post it onto the the never happens thread?

As is transsexualism

How? And what is transsexualism? How does it differ from transgender?

Gayness is an observable and studiable phenomenon. Same-sex attraction is really simple and easy to define: it's not a random and unknowable set of inexplicable feelings, it's a behaviour. The fact that in places like Iran, where same-sex attraction is heavily stigmatised and can end in imprisonment and death, LGB still risk same-sex relationships is evidence that it's not just a choice. Have you ever stopped to think how homophobic you sound? You sound like some 1950s throwback asserting that there's no such thing as homosexual desire. Or aren't you concerned about LGB people? Is being gay out of date in your modern book?

Can somebody archive this and post it onto the the never happens thread?

The first 16 pages have been on archive dot is. It's a keeper.

(Although I still think this is one of you ladies with a funny mask, and I'm waiting for the Scooby-Doo reveal).

quite the contrary - I am the gender queer future. You lot are the past.

Being gay = being attracted to someone of the same sex
Being transsexual = believing you are/feeling like/wanting to be a member of the opposite sex. Key point to note: believing you are a member of the opposite sex does not make you an actual member of the opposite sex. That's just basic biology and logic.

Clitoral Violence

Big letters in n bold! Nice skillz

Some of us do have skills. Go on, admit it. You're a # little bit jealous of the power of Bigly letters.

And besides, what happened to your flounce? Did you decide to deflounce? I wish you'd stick to your convictions. Oh wait, they've wavered thoughout the entire thread.

Keep on transplaining. Its all very amusing.

I am a little envious TBH. The bigs looked quite striking.

PESKY KIDS

I am aware that you're just trolling ELO, but the ageism is pretty impressive. It's also laughable that you think that us silly old mummies haven't been crashing through gendered stereotypes and living a life of refusing to be bound by societal pressure to conform to those stereotypes. But of course, each generation thinks they've invented everything that their boring old parents haven't got a clue about.

Well, stuck a foat

@Vebrithien

I know that a poster has derailed the thread but if you can't get them to remove the poster due to sex being missing you could point out that it is also wrong in including gender, as we are all aware it should be gender reassignment.

I know that a poster has derailed the thread but if you can't get them to remove the poster due to sex being missing you could point out that it is also wrong in including gender, as we are all aware it should be gender reassignment.

Thanks for the attempt to rerail, but I did find myself chuckling quietly at the "poster" confusion in there.

What about celibate or virgin gays? Kind of tumbled your point.