So mentioning females with reference to menopause is terfy..

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Part of my job to review the menopause policy at work. Person drafting it had written people as the main word throughout. I suggested changing to females and was told this was 'terfy'

Luckily as this person works for me I referenced maya forstater ruling and an example of how this could be seen as inappropriate language for the workplace. But mentioning a biological function that only females experience is now seen as 'terfy' ? Wtf???

After discussion with my boss they relented to ' colleague' with women and transmen/ non binary in the preamble but seems female is off limits now..

So what do we call people who we used to call women then used to call female?

This is absolute bollicks

And the bollocks always seem to get priority don't they?

Ffs! Only women no matter how they identify can experience menopause

'this is terfy'

'why, thank you'

• women, OP. We call them women. I don't take kindly to being erased.

Ridiculous. And I bet they know it.

I was brave enough to give her 'feedback ' today as she was going on about micro aggressions ( re trans natch).

I said actually you may have done something like that the other day and it's not a word appropriate for work as GC beliefs now protected under EA.

So yep she knows I'm a terf now but we get on well otherwise and I'm her manager. Otherwise I wouldn't have said anything.

Thank fuck for Maya!!

Actually I refuse to identify as a woman until the original meaning is restored. If its a feeling, I have no idea if I am one. I don't know how else I'd feel if I wasn't one.

Well done, OP!

It's brilliant that these things can be discussed openly. And we can now say, yes, it's not okay to discriminate against women - or anyone who believes there are two sexes - thanks to Maya.

I would be interested to know how a male who now identifies as NB goes through menopause?

Well done!

Only biological women can go through menopause, am I being thick? Somebody please school me if possible. Autism so very black and white at times, ty.

I think they are getting themselves mixed up there......surely whatever you identify as, you have to be biologically female to undergo menopause?

True but TRAs don't like it mentioned as it's one of the few aspects of womanhood they cannot claim.

So let's change language for 51% of humans to be kind to 0.5% of other humans eh

To be both trans inclusive and factually correct, could the preamble for the policy say something like "colleagues who are female (women and transmen) will experience the menopause, this is a naturally occurring part of ageing that usually begins between the ages of 45 and 55" or something along those lines.

In any case good for you for speaking up!! The tides, they are a-turning...

Female has been transified so Transwomen can say their female now . Cos they said so.

@Xiaoxiong speaks a lot of sense - I like this suggestion for everything from now on.

They mentioned woman tm and nb then used colleague instead of people in the main bit. Eg if the colleague needs x.

A lame compromise but better than 'person'

It's crazy. I was on our work mental health advocate call ( so nothing to do with gender) and we all got a lecture on how it was important not to assume that only CIS females have the menopause.

This followed onto the chat board where one bloke said how great it was to work at a company with such inclusive language.

I'm too cowardly to say anything and get labelled a terf. I just need to get through to retirement.

I'm on a mission to get on the inclusion group at work as GC. I've already said it's not true inclusion unless you include all viewpointsand boss agreed. I'm newish so give me time....

You should use the NICE approach, use "women" throughout, with an asterisk explaining that in the document the word is used to cover all females including those that identify other than as women (or something like that)

If a trans man is taking hormones they could well experience it 30 years too early and have major health issues that will make the actual menopause feel like a sunny day at the beach.

Gosh, wouldn't that be a simpler approach? But no, the language has to be mangled so that we can't even use female

You want to try writing the maternity policy! Nightmare.

I've managed to get wokeychops to see that it's not all about the trans. Did the usual bingo of nazi comparisons/ trans suicide/ be kind/ oppression Olympics etc. She ran out of juice when I mentioned the JK R pipe bomb / doxxing tweet. Said she'd remember to think of other views

Gosh this will be fun to manage her!

I actually like her apart from the woke shite

How many transmen actually have a baby? 0.0003% ? Most are same sex attracted so would have a female partner to carry a baby I'd think?

Yet the language must change...