So mentioning females with reference to menopause is terfy..

[Metabigot]

Part of my job to review the menopause policy at work. Person drafting it had written people as the main word throughout. I suggested changing to females and was told this was 'terfy'

Luckily as this person works for me I referenced maya forstater ruling and an example of how this could be seen as inappropriate language for the workplace. But mentioning a biological function that only females experience is now seen as 'terfy' ? Wtf???

After discussion with my boss they relented to ' colleague' with women and transmen/ non binary in the preamble but seems female is off limits now..

So what do we call people who we used to call women then used to call female?

I know. I can’t even say that in real life.

How sad is that?

I've found piggy backing on something in the news in a neutral what do you think about this way can be a good way to test the water.

A lot of people are waiting for someone else to say thr emporer has no clothes...

Blimey, @Metabigot , good on you, and quite right, they only seem to ever 'remember' ever few factual stories, it's just slogans

I'm not brave enough, just yet, but am getter quite tired of the whole thing.

Just when you feel the tide is turning, then realise just how brainwashed some people have become

I really think the younger generation have to learn to live with their mothers at some point and grow up. They are lovely really, all these youngsters, they've just swallowed the whole thing without any questions.

As many women said before, we've been told to educate ourselves, so we did. They can't just make us believe it, we know far too much now, and most of us have searched in vain for a good reason for this madness for years. If there is a good argument for trans ideology over women's rights, it eludes me.

Gentle probing seems to be getting somewhere with my teenagers at last, maybe the vibe is changing after all?

well that's ok surely? Sticking to the facts, they will either have had medical interventions to render them biologically female...or as biologically female as is medically possible.....in which case they (oh lucky them) will experience menopause; or they haven't undergone such intervention so they won't experience menopause and therefore the policy won't apply to them.....like maternity policies didn't apply to me, even though I am cis female, as I never became pregnant.

@PaleBlueMoonlight
I think this is the best approach. It's correct and up to date with GI. We can't let go of truth and science because it will not end there.

@godmum56
Sticking to the facts, as you say ... Whatever medical or surgical interventions they undergo, TW will never experience a period and therefore never experience menopause.

I really don't know if this is sarcasm or if you actually think some 'medical interventions' can actually make a man female. 🤔

NHS online has a whole section on "the male menopause". Men get it, apparently. It's ok to say men and male.

@Mumortwo
"Male menopause" is not the cessation of periods and men cannot be made biologically female

I only work for myself so I can't contribute anything like this, but I hope you women challenging this inside companies and institutions understand that you are saving the world for women. It is appreciated.

Trans men are females, so female the exact opposite of 'terfy', its completely trans inclusive.

"had medical interventions to render them biologically female" 😂comedy gold

well that's what I was trying to say....

"they will either have had medical interventions to render them biologically female...or as biologically female as is medically possible"

So men can have the the chromosomes in all of their cells changed?

and therefore the policy won't apply to them so what is the problem?

Your workplace menopause policy sounds like it was written by my trust HR dept.... Here's the preamble on our intranet page about it:

"The menopause is a natural part of ageing that usually occurs between 45 and 55 years of age, as oestrogen levels decline. In the UK, the average age to reach the menopause is 51.

Most people will experience menopausal symptoms. Some of these can be quite severe and have a significant impact on your everyday activities."

The source for this is quoted as the British menopause society yet on their website they don't seem to have an issue writing that women go through the menopause- so it's been changed by my trust. The policy fares on better and barely mentions the W word.

We're NHS- if a sodding healthcare trust cannot know that menopause affects women (rather than "most people"- REALLY?!) then how can we offer care? This shite absolutely boils my piss.

“Sticking to the facts, they will either have had medical interventions to render them biologically female...or as biologically female as is medically possible.....in which case they (oh lucky them) will experience menopause”

Exactly what medical intervention would lead to a male person going through the female menopause?!

I’m dying to find out how this has been achieved and want to know why the scientists / HCPs who achieved it haven’t been Nobel nominated.

Glad to hear you can actually change sex. When I had a really difficult pregnancy with my daughter and had to risk permanent disability (which I knew was a possibility) silly me I should have just changed sex with my hubby fir 9 month's and let him carry the child rather than get seriously ill at 35w due to pre a existing health condition.

As it was I had to take the risk myself. If only someone had told me there was this other option!

as biologically female as is medically possible
Which is still male, because mammals can't change sex. Sorry, but it can't be done.
Afaik transwomen continue (or start!) taking cross-sex hormones rather than stopping or reducing them at the age when women will experience the menopause. Oddly enough they generally seem to want to remain 'gals' rather than experiencing normal middle-aged womanhood.

I was looking at the website for The Vagina Museum the other day...there is only one mention of the word woman and it's in an annoying notice about being "inclusive" and they won't be using it. I mean seriously.

@godmum56
The point is that whether they have interventions or not, they will never become biologically female. You implied that in the (impossible) event that they were rendered female, they could go through menopause. Not possible.

Most people will experience menopausal symptoms. Some of these can be quite severe and have a significant impact on your everyday activities."

"Most people". Pffffft. So fucking annoying.

The whole wide eye "people this, people that" only works because everyone knows exactly which "people" they are talking about so they don't have to sully themselves by (God forbid) using a noun that refers to the people formerly known as women.

Yet again, the movement that claims Woman can't be defined except as a circular term and that a statistically small set of people with DSDs existing means biological sex is just tooooooooo complicated to ever apply to anybody at all, actually entirely depends on the people formerly known as women continuing to exist and the population contuing to know exactly who they are and what that means in practice as if nothing has changed.

Well managed op.