Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 2

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal
select the video and mic that are not crossed out, this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

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There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 1 👇

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

In trans activist circles, referring to Wispa chocolate bars is code for harassing GC women:

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1519343535425835008

Thanks tabbycat, you’re much more observant than I am!

Sorry to be a pain but could someone tell me how we can access the bundle. I'm not very tech savvy and can't see where I can find it.

Is IO suggesting that SK (?) calling Allison 'the terfy barrister' and saying ''don't let her get away with this'', was not encouraging complaints against her, but simply encouraging messages of support for GCC? 🤨

If you've just joined you could ask for the link to be reposted in the chat box, judge said yesterday that that is an appropriate use of it.

'Is IO suggesting that SK (?) calling Allison 'the terfy barrister' and saying ''don't let her get away with this'', was not encouraging complaints against her, but simply encouraging messages of support for GCC? 🤨'

Yes. That's not going to fly, I suspect.

Now the issue of Mr Knan who was on the Stonewall Trans Advisory Group being offered space at GCC to hold a meeting at which AB alleges he encouraged attendees to write letters supporting Stonewall/ trans issues, which involved criticism of her.

Lots of quibbling but I think Allison's getting the story over very clearly, that Knan was given space to hold a meeting at which he solicited support for STAG/ Stonewall, that he was personally hostile to her and took measures such as putting her up on 'the Wall' for vilification.

This case is so much more difficult to precisely/ document because almost every statement is fought over. No idea how Tribunal Tweets are handling it.

Look for Emily Battcock (Doyle Clayton) at 11.22 in the chat box NoviceNetwork under which you'll find a number of links including "Non-downloadable supplemental bundle". Unless you've only recently joined the session.

She's just this second reposted it

I find it difficult if there's email evidence as AB described that there could be any possible interpretation of SK's actions as only 'encouraging messages of support for GCC'.

It must have been awful for Allison to read this type of thing during discovery.

They really believe they're invincible and that discrimination law doesn't apply to them don't they? I mean who puts that kind of stuff in an email. And if they put it in an email, written down and the evidence is there to prove it, who could possibly believe that they didn't say that, and worse probably, in meetings. It's not credible.

I think AB is coming across so well, she is so resolute.

If I murder anyone, I want her as my barrister.

Noted.

She's doing remarkably well not to get angry or upset.

So 21% (IIRC) of her gross income went to support the cost of the chambers meeting rooms etc and then these were then offered and used for free by at least one person who made slurs and threats against her written down in emails.

I'd be fuming and then some.

The endless discussion about the pronouns in the screen names is so embarrassing.
The Judge and Mr Reuby have mentioned it so many times now.

We're not at school, so why can't people take this hearing seriously and grow the f*ck up??

Corn-fed organic chicken, obviously

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If I murder anyone, I want her as my barrister

If I ever want to talk about anything contentious which might end up in court, I'm going to insist on a phone conversation rather than make unprofessional comments with colleagues via slack, WhatsApp, email and text on work channels.

😂😂😂

This was in no way intended as any admission of guilt.

Just tuned in. I can’t believe the gall of people abusing the chat function !!

The chat is going a bit mad at the moment over pronouns. I guess EJ is going to have to very wearily return to this issue.

X-post!

People are treating it like a livestream chat on YouTube

Allison isn’t afraid to use silence and when she’s made her point, she stops speaking. That’s coming across well in contrast to the hectoring and slightly blustery demeanour of IO.

But that’s just imho and IANAL.

Well, quite, this is the shocking thing. Discrimination is difficult to prove if it's all off the record. However in this case it wasn't all off the record, it was in writing.

If they feel so unassailable that they'll do this to an actual barrister what chance do women who aren't barristers have to retain their rights as human beings? Surely they won't let us 'get away with this' (having opinions different to theirs).

The chat is embarrassing.

I know I am joking on here, but I wouldn't dream of doing it in a live court case chat.

Within The Wall there are many mansions ;)