Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 2

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 1 👇

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Ah, I saw a few sub tweets & didn't realise who had prompted them. Makes sense now.

Nice comment from the judge on the use of pronouns in observer names that whilst it seems to be common these days she can't see why it is necessary.

Omambala isn't very impressive.

"I wouldn't describe it as a benefit, though."

She walked into that one.

For those not able to listen to the hearing, the discussion about pronouns was in relation to EJ discussing identifiers containing content for the purposes of (mild) harassment and how some, such as "TERF", were objectionable (although AB specifically said she wasn't bothered) and others, such as pronouns, were not. AB said she wasn't bothered by pronoun declarations either.

People putting their pronouns on aren't harassing anyone. It's pointless, but harmless.

They should have settled. This is a lot of sunshine

Only if reported widely in MSM and even then a lot would depend on their editorialisation.

"It's like a criminal protection racket."

No holds barred here.

Perfect analogy by AB - Stonewall are like a Criminal Protection Racket.

People putting their pronouns on aren't harassing anyone.

People have said this because AHF and similar are being identified in the chat box as inappropriate. Which was in turn responded in a tit for tat way because other people have created taunting pseudonyms like the ones about chocolate bars and the GC_FckUps one.

There's been a repetition of "regarding the GRA becoming law". As AB says - just now - it was already law. The changes still under consultation were not.

We're obviously all very mature people. :)

IO now repeating the phrase protection racket.
Yes, the more that phrase is uttered, the better.

I am a very mature in age woman, but have a very juvenile sense of humour, I am ashamed to admit the I enjoyed The inbetweeners.

Allison making excellent point that once you have signed up to be a Stonewall Champion you can't question or go against Stonewall's expectation or requests in litigation without a risk of loss of reputational damage. Effectively they've got you in their grasp.

Let's have a pause while we think about all the police forces and government departments that are Stonewall Champions.

Exactly - look what SW tried to do to the EHRC when they escaped their "grasp".

It is sobering, isn't it?

Chocolate bars?!??

Yesterday IO said that she had agreed with AH to divide up the issues to explore with AB in cross-examination so as to limit the amount of duplication that would occur. It's going to be interesting to do a compare and contrast in cross-examining styles when things are handed over to AH.

Allison is doing a good job adding context to each point. No wonder IO is always trying to interrupt her.

Chocolate bars?!??

I think it's a reference to an incident where AB thought she was being harassed by trans activists by them throwing items into her garden. It turned out to be some neighbouring children, but it trended on Twitter, encouraged by prominent TRAs, as it was around the same time as the Wi Spa incident in the US coming to light.

I just noticed the elusive Michelle Brewer is logged in as one of the observers, I can’t recall whether she was there yesterday……

Mine will only eat roast chicken and vintage cheddar.

Michelle Brewer's name was on the list yesterday.