Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 2

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal
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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 1 👇

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

BC is going to call the Claimant.

AB is going to give her evidence next.

Yes that was a beneficial question I think.

Absolutely, so glad she was called back.

Yes, Martin Reuby's intervention was extremely helpful.

Glad that the issue of IO and RMW's camera has been addressed. I've been wondering throughout why IO and RMW have to be pictured together and was thinking that being cross-examined by someone whose face one can't clearly see and concentrate on is an uncomfortable situation. I'm glad that that's been sorted out.

I will just post this without any further comment:

Ben Cooper: no disrespect to miss white more important we see IO

^^

Literally erasing RMW's existence :D

Well yes and presumably could be argued to be detrimental also and unfair if the other side isn't doing the same.

IO is the first to cross-examine AB.

Alison has started how she means to proceed - taking no shit.

Quick question, I have a link, to join the viewing. Can I join at any time, or does it need to be when there is a recess? I don't want to try and join and disrupt the proceedings.

Anytime

You can enter and leave at any time katmarie. Completely at your own choice. But always have an eye on the muting settings when you join.

Thank you both :)

AB is being marvellously precise here about how trans rights before 2015 (transsexuals) were not the same thing as after 2015 (gender identity).

Yes.

Impressed by AB: steady, calm, detailed and not budging.

I am annoyed I now have to do the school run and miss the magnificent AB.

Bloody children! Oh wait, they're one of the main reasons we need to be free to speak up about biological sex being important (and often more important than 'gender')... :)

To me this is vital. A fundamental, qualitative change.

Sorry, meant to quote @nauticant :
AB is being marvellously precise here about how trans rights before 2015 (transsexuals) were not the same thing as after 2015 (gender identity).

AB is a great witness, clear, calm and no nonsense.

Yes, because if you'd believe the case that tends to be advanced by Stonewall, out of the blue, from 2015, loads of left-leaning committed feminists suddenly decided to become transphobic, and the cause was that in their folly they were led astray by right wing and fundamentally religious people in the US.

Is this going to be IO saying that Stonewall was offering all kinds of great things and so why did AB become all exercised over one tiny part of their campaigning when clearly they're doing so much good?

I feel utterly deprived. No American right wing religious fundamentalist has ever turned up at my door wishing to lead me astray. And the Conservative party haven't given much of a toss until very recently.

Sadly no one else got involved. I just got increasingly pissed off at the attack on my rights, those of other women, and the increasing dehumanisation, disrespect and determination to unilaterally reframe half the human race to the benefit of less than 1% of the other half.

Was I supposed to not mind about this or something?

The tasteful rainbow unicorn display made me laugh out loud. That bit has to be in the movie.