Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing

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The Tribunal will start on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

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The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

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I have sent a request but haven't had anything back yet. Hopefully nearer the time.

Yes, I noted that at the beginning when referring to her statement he corrected her grammar from 'this' to 'these'. I know he's only doing his job, but he is coming across as odious.

When I appeared as a witness in a case that arose in my work capacity the rather desperate barrister resorted to criticising the punctuation of my thrown-together-at-the-last-minute statement.

Who else is on the witness list?

This could backfire on AH. If FPFW is the 'tiny' (his word), non-membership, outlying group of men and women, why would the mere mention of it strike horror in the hearts of GCC?

Really, Pluvia??

That is clutching at straws in the extreme!

I don't find him odious. He's just doing his job. There are weaknesses in this evidence, but I don't think what he's arguing makes it irrelevant.

What a pranny...🙄

I was referring to his manner, not his questions. I find his manner odious. I might feel the same way if he was acting for Allison. He's making my skin crawl.

Agree. If CG beliefs are such a piffle, a trifle, then how does AH explain all those OTT emails between GCC and SW conspiring to get rid of Allison? He can't have it both ways.

So, he's making out like a witness statement needs to be referenced and peer reviewed. Who knew.

Pyjamagame - really? He's slightly confrontational but again I think that's his job. Giving evidence must be hard, I don't envy Nicola Williams and think she's doing a great thing. She's doing well.

Without evidence that women, rsp lesbians, are more likely to be gc, discriminating on grounds of gcness won't also be discrimination on grounds of sex, rsp sexuality - isn't that the point?

@imokhesbonkers Yes I think so.

where was this forensic approach to data in the scottish census case?

I know I donated anon, a lot of people do, primarily as the don't want to be outed as GC publicly, as they would be be in danger of losing their job.

Placemarking. Glad Allison is feeling better.

Just tuned in - is the aim to discredit Nic as a witness?

You would struggle to justify that lesbians aren't particularly gender critical, given trans ideology disputes the very concept.

I always donate anon for obvious reasons.

Yes, the aim is to imply that her analysis has nothing to say about the likelihood of a gender critical feminist being either female or a lesbian.

I can see where he is going but I think one can also argue (I am sure BC will) that because anti-GC views have a disproportionately negative effect on women (because women are more at risk from males in prisons than vice versa, etc etc) then it is still sex discrimination to deny the right to express them.

Indeed, ikky.

Wasn't there actually an incident where TRAs got hold of the database of names on a GC petition?
Naturally people were then very reluctant to use their real names, etc.

I'm using an alias logged into the hearing this morning - lots of people have.

Nic is cool as a cucumber but she's given evidence in a lot of these cases.

Gender critical feminism primarily benefits women as a protected characteristic, it's advocating for women's sex based rights, so discriminating against women and lesbians advocating for their rights is surely both discrimination against their GC beliefs and their rights to organise to protect and advance their own human and legal rights on the grounds of sex and sexual orientation.

Nic Williams - you are doing a good job.

Am watching on twitter. Can I just check something? I saw mention of Doyle Clayton, are they acting for Alison? I ask because I had some professional dealings with them and they were in equal parts fucking brilliant and fucking terrifying. I’ve recommended them to any number of people with employment issues. Please tell me they are with Alison.