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David Aaronovitch Review of Helen Joyce's Book

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Igneococcus · 16/07/2021 06:08

In the Times today:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a9738a12-e57d-11eb-afdb-c7b01afbcfc5?shareToken=bde4e05d2955fb1682ae3da09be1f707

Final paragaph:

"I’m off the fence. I will call people by the name and pronouns they tell me they want to be called by. I am prepared to defend their right not to be discriminated against at work and in shops, to defend them against bullying and harassment. But as Joyce says so passionately, that doesn’t change reality. A penis is a male sex organ, men don’t have babies. Women exist."

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Wearywithteens · 21/07/2021 17:04

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Belleager · 21/07/2021 17:50

How long is that Daily Mail article?

Like the journalist kept popping back up with "oh and another thing! You won't believe this one".

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RedDogsBeg · 21/07/2021 19:48

Like the journalist kept popping back up with "oh and another thing! You won't believe this one".Grin

Perfect description Grin the journalist was determined to cover the whole spectrum of what we were told would never happen but did and does, a full serving of suitable what the fuck moments for the readership.

littlbrowndog · 21/07/2021 20:05

That is a great piece. Really really

littlbrowndog · 21/07/2021 20:05

It’s massive piece

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 22/07/2021 22:19

Maya Forstater interviewing Helen Joyce about the book:

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 22/07/2021 22:23

Wow that DM article is so comprehensive!

HPFA · 23/07/2021 15:39

@HPFA

In my professional life I found myself choosing how many copies of the title would be purchased by a library service. I did my best to make a professional judgement and opted for three copies.

So far there are eight reservations - two more will trigger the purchasing of another copy.

I'm pleased - I did worry whether I was being biased but so far my judgement is about right!

Well there are now eleven reservations. So we will see if more copies are ordered.......
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