London this Sunday!

[Maskless]

At about 1pm on Sunday 27th June Kellie Jay Keen ("Posie Parker") is going to stand outside the New Zealand embassy with a stepladder, a loudhailer and a banner to protest that Laurel Hubbard has denied a deserving sportswoman a place in the Olympics. And will probably steal a woman's medal.

It would be great if people who care about women's sports could go along to support her.

@ArabellaScott

Layla Moran, arrested for assault Layla Moran?

That's the one.

[quote Blibbyblobby]@MishyJDI

...their narrow definition of biology...

You miss the point. Even if our "narrow definition of biology" wrt what it means to be a woman is wrong, it is still a fact that a group of people with a particular set of physical characteristics associated with one reproductive role exist, and those people have advantages and disadvantages in sport and life that are not shared with the group of people that have the physical characteristics associated with the other reproductive role.

Woman is the label we have historically used for that type of body, but assuming that because of that Women's sport is there for anyone who can claim the label Woman is getting the whole thing arse-backwards. It doesn't matter whether you call us women, or female, or smatterblatterkin, when it comes to sport it is the body that matters not the label.

All you achieve by including Hubbard or whoever in Women's sports is demonstrating so very very clearly that if you make Woman a gender label covering a mixed-sex group, you automatically also create a need for single-sex groups to achieve the many practical and needful purposes that separating by women and men used to do.[/quote]
What an excellent post, Blibbyblobby. Brava!

Hmmm I believe MrFlo still has an electronic keyboard somewhere.....

NOW I’m excited

"Sex is a spectrum" LOL!

This all just makes me sad, as someone with a degree in biology, just how shit science teaching has become in our schools.

Not sure if this has been shared already but:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ef6c59dc-d695-11eb-a220-6b7b44d7fe64?shareToken=7cc27beb6c60de828f3239d2c8059ca5

Actually quite devastated to read this from David Walsh of the ST.

The man who cared so much about fairness in sport that he pursued Lance Armstrong for years to uncover and prove his doping, and eventually succeeded, against quite significant odds, I believe.

It was an amazing achievement. The legacy of which now looks very, very shabby in the light of this dreadful piece.

Yes quite. Why aren't they over on Feminist Chat posting lots of trans positive intersectional feminism, instead of engaging in a "debate" page, when, by their own philosophy, there should be "no debate

Right?! 🤷🏼‍♀️

But how do we know it has more of an impact on women, when we can’t even say what a woman is ?

Very pertinent point @SirVixofVixHall

Is this in "sex and gender and women who won't stfu" or whatever it's called? Why doe it say chat at the top?

I have to say this artificial division of feminism really isn't working on a practical level is it?

Is there a way of recognising mumsnetters or will I just have to ask everyone?

Yes we will all have a mumsnet haircut & leopard print scarf! 😆

Clutching the remnants of a five day old roast chicken.

I don't know where my MN scarf is these days, I dread to think how long ago that was! Sadly I don't have any Boden or Seasalt in my wardrobe. I have a grumpy fucked off face though!

@Needmoresleep

Clutching the remnants of a five day old roast chicken.

Or a toilet brush.

carrying shoes, asking if we should take them off or put them back on again.

I was at speakers corner, I met a few of you guys. I couldn't make it to the NZ consulate but I was with you in spirit!