Share token for the Times Women 2020 list

[Igneococcus]

I have no idea what the problem was with the first thread:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f41a64d6-3b06-11eb-ac13-4bedd83a49b7?shareToken=5da2f939004fbc868487990f57bb89c0

Again, I’ll say - what a crappy list with random tiktok children who presumably only other children have heard of, a selection of trans women who haven’t done anything more than turn up, fictional women, a couple of models. If this is the best women, then we really are in trouble.

Terrible grammar, I do apologise.

Thanks for the share token, @Igneococcus.

I didn't post on the last thread but I read it, and I'm going to rephrase the element of it which I suspect was the problem: "Three of the women of the year are biologically male".

Thanks - I didn't realise the other thread had gone, I'd only just posted on it! All I can think of is that individuals on that list were being mentioned by name?

Interestingly the Times comments are also being heavily moderated.

Again, I’ll say - what a crappy list with random tiktok children who presumably only other children have heard of, a selection of trans women who haven’t done anything more than turn up, fictional women, a couple of models. If this is the best women, then we really are in trouble

Yep. I'd been on the verge of subscribing to the Times (after finally realising the Guardian's not going to change), but this has changed my mind again.

Normally the Times is pretty good with its columnists but this article is just embarrassing. It’s like it’s been written for another magazine (an American one maybe?) and then lifted and copied.

Oh I see.

Well this is fascinating.

Hi all, we've deleted posts that either break the Talk guidelines or make this discussion all about a deleted thread. It's fine to discuss the list but we'll take the thread down if the TGs continue to be broken.

Thank you. So basically we can talk about the list but not about some of the individuals who are on the list?

Thank you for the share token.

I also note that while Mary Wollstonecraft’s statue, and some amazing female activists who campaign for their special interests, no UK female activists who concentrate solely on women’s rights were included. Oh, and a male activist made the list ... or two, in fact. (Let’s not forget the judge who has had the benefit of being male to progress their career is on the list and not a female judge who has achieved DESPITE not being male)....

That list needs some attention.

Wasn’t there also a UK female writer who dominated the top ten book lists and also released a best seller this year???!

I don’t see how saying that if I were trans I would also be embarrassed about the list as none of them are very inspiring either, is against talk guidelines.

Dolly Parton's on there, so there's that.

Wasn’t there also a UK female writer who dominated the top ten book lists and also released a best seller this year???!

Came here to say the same thing! A suspiciously absent name on here... I wonder why that could be?

This looks like a list created by trawling their content for the year for 'she' and counting mentions to see who has been in the news rather than necessarily value judgements.

Maybe we should focus here on some of the women on the list who are worth celebrating here. The comments section says much we probably can't.

My picks are Emmanuelle Charpentier, Jennifer Doudna, and of course Sarah Gilbert.

They need to stop making these stupid lists.

How did that buzzfeed article end up in the times?

Isn’t the first entry a tv character? Why is there a badly received naked statue in it? Why didn’t the Nobel prize winners get a spot each? Why are there so many actresses and models? Why are there 3...

I've come to expect better of The Times

Hang on... I'm so used to not recognising the entertainers or singers on these sorts of list that I missed that the first name is a fictional character in some series I've never heard of either.

Bizarre.

I think it's a piss-take. Naomi Campbell is on there for cleaning her aeroplane seat for fucks sake.

And then there is the American rap star famous for a pretty pornographic video/song title and getting shot by her boyfriend.

It truly is a bizarre list and I would argue that a significant number of people/non women have no reason being there at all.

A tik tok star is on there. The earth is burning and we have a plague but at least the tik tok people are getting the recognition they deserve eh?

At least one of the women is fictional and it is in the 'Style' section. I don't think it is entirely serious.